Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you want to assume a Mjolnir that was based directly on the Ultimate Version (Which doesn't have the enchantment) possess it because it was never said it DOESN'T have the Worthy enchantment? Nice try shifting the burden of proof. How about you point to a scene that says the hammer DOES have the enchantment? Or perhaps to some Marvel editorial edict that says any Mjolnir in any Universe in any medium HAS to have the worthy enchantment?The logic of some people never ceases to amaze me. 😬
Calm down. You made a claim that wasn't seen on screen or even in the extras. That violates this sub-forum's golden rule. I made no clams about enchantments or lack of enchantments: I only pointed out that horrible flaw in your logic.
Question: why did Thor looked shocked when Hulk lifted the hammer? huh?
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Originally posted by Silent Master
Or that it was really heavy.
Not that: it would have fallen quite far into the cement* if it was "really heavy". Hulk just showed, seconds prior, that a tank is like plastic to his strength.
He struggled like a mother ****er with that hammer. So if it was just "really heavy", when it fell back down*, we'd have craters. All sorts of stuff would be off like Thor creating craters everywhere he walked.
*This refers to Hulk throwing the hammer at Thor's face and then the hammer falling onto the ground with a clank sound...but no massive craters. Enchantment confirmed. 😄
Mjolnir probably had an enchantment. If you just needed to be really strong to lift it, well, Thor wouldn't have been surprised that Hulk could do so.
Originally posted by PsychotronWhy should anyone give a ****?
True, but UH lifted Mjolnir. His initial struggle with it indicates that there was some kind of enchantment on it.
How strong do you have to be to lift Mjolnir?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Calm down. You made a claim that wasn't seen on screen or even in the extras. That violates this sub-forum's golden rule. I made no clams about enchantments or lack of enchantments: I only pointed out that horrible flaw in your logic.Question: why did Thor looked shocked when Hulk lifted the hammer? huh?
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I am calm. Except I was responding to people assuming there was an enchantment on the hammer in the first place. It's not perfectly conclusive but assuming it has no enchantment due to the Ultimate Universe origins is more logical then assuming it does just because. Besides, Hulk struggled for five seconds before lifting the hammer and wielding the thing like it was just another weapon when he didn't even get noticeably stronger after the fact. Either it was just really heavy, or whatever enchantment is on there, it's pretty shitty.
Or he was surprised anyone was as strong as him? I'm really not going to waste time debating an animated Thor's subjective facial expressions to reach a conclusion. I'd prefer subjective indirect and non conclusive evidence.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Mjolnir probably had an enchantment. If you just needed to be really strong to lift it, well, Thor wouldn't have been surprised that Hulk could do so.Why should anyone give a ****?
How strong do you have to be to lift Mjolnir?
Stronger than 616 Hulk has ever been apparently.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Either it was just really heavy, or whatever enchantment is on there, it's pretty shitty.
I definitely can agree to this.
What I cannot agree with is one of these 2 positions:
1. No enchantment on the hammer.
2. There are tons of enchantments on the hammer.
Those two positions are too strong to support by what was seen onscreen. Weak enchantment/s seems like the safe-middle road. It's definitely not super heavy based on what we saw on screen.
Originally posted by Supra
Guys watch the video again, he amped to pick it up the first time, the second time his strength was amped and he picked it up on the fly.
hmm
Okay, that's some pretty good ****in' logic.
Originally posted by FrothByte
How bout... ultimate mjolnir is a piece of high-tech weaponry that is specifically attuned to work with Thor's belt of strength. So unless you wear the belt of strength, Mjolnir becomes quite heavy and unwieldy?
That explanation does not fit with what was seen on screen.
It almost works as an explanation, but doesn't quite cut it.
Here's why:
1. The hammer isn't making massive craters in the ground when it falls (it does this twice, I believe).
2. Hulk, initially, cannot pick it up. He has to amp to pick it up.
3. Every step Hulk takes, he is not creating massive craters in the ground from how heavy the hammer is.
Your explanation works great until Hulk is introduced into the scenario.
You're right. Oh well, had to give it a shot anyway.
Guess "Hulk amping up" is currently the best explanation. But it's still weak. Did he amp up enough to counter the enchantment or counter the weight? Because if he countered the weight, then same thing, he should have been making craters with every step he took. If it's still an enchantment, I don't think strength should have anything to do with it.
Like I said before, cartoon writers really don't give a crap about Thor. He's basically used as a tool to make Hulk look good.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, but amped to counter what? Was Mjolnir enchanted? Because no amount of amping up on Hulk's part should allow him to counter the enchantment. Or was Mjolnir just really heavy?
Probably just heavy as hell because Hulk had to Amp to kick Thors ass..When thor came in he was wrecking Hulk.
The madder Hulk gets the stronger hold true.