Originally posted by rotiart
May as well ask if they could beat infinity eternity or death.... To me there's no celestial that could do it individually... As a whole the celestials have numbers that could overwhelm
Nah, Eternity (one of the four cornerstone Abstracts) is the one who was responsible for bringing the Celestials into being.
Silver Surfer v3 #10:
http://i.imgur.com/mFvj5w1.jpg?1
Or.....take Heroes Reborn the Return #4, for instance, where it's stated that they're merely figments of Eternity's imaginations:
http://i.imgur.com/WKNXute.jpg
That should give you the idea about the power gap between a true Abstract and the Celestials.
Although, Eternity is sometimes portrayed to be the most powerful of the abstracts. But regardless, the Celestials aren't really in the Abstract tier.
Originally posted by operator616
Nah, Eternity (one of the four cornerstone Abstracts) is the one who was responsible for bringing the Celestials into being.Silver Surfer v3 #10:
http://i.imgur.com/mFvj5w1.jpg?1
Or.....take Heroes Reborn the Return #4, for instance, where it's stated that they're merely figments of Eternity's imaginations:
http://i.imgur.com/WKNXute.jpg
That should give you the idea about the power gap between a true Abstract and the Celestials.
Although, Eternity is sometimes portrayed to be the most powerful of the abstracts. But regardless, the Celestials aren't really in the Abstract tier.
Re: Celestial vs. Oblivion
Originally posted by Wonder Man
https://marvel.com/universe/Oblivion
Can a Celestial stop Oblivion?
Originally posted by zopzop
Man, it looks like a Celestial, Exitar, is about to get his @$$ handed to him by an Asgardian axe! LOL.Oblivion demolishes any Celestial short of Scathan.
Originally posted by zopzop
How does this explain Scathan?
It doesn't. We both know that Scathan is the exception, so im setting him aside.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b] I believe it was stated on panel recently that the Celestials were the ones responsible for creating the multiverse. [/B]
It was stated and actually shown. This happened in the X-Termination arc.
Here's a statement from X-Termination #1:
http://i.imgur.com/yrDBjwB.jpg?1
And depicted in Astonishing X-Men #61:
http://i.imgur.com/XRyphLe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/km7YB7h.jpg
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]
They've never really had concrete origins, rather ambiguous. [/B]
Their origins have been mostly emphasized in Fantastic Four annual #26. There were several theories regarding their origins, and Kosmos' final deduction was that their origins were associated with Eternity:
Xmen ****ing up continuity once again...
On another note, it's possible that (setting the statement into a greater perspective), would mean that along with the Proemial Gods they brought order to chaos that was the beginning of the marvel universe but *shrug* Imo Xmen has a fantastic ability to completely ignore everything else and do whatever they want.
Originally posted by operator616That's great but just because you are spawned from Eternity doesn't mean you have to be weaker than him. Even amongst Celestials there is a tier in power ranking.
Nah, Eternity (one of the four cornerstone Abstracts) is the one who was responsible for bringing the Celestials into being.Silver Surfer v3 #10:
http://i.imgur.com/mFvj5w1.jpg?1
Or.....take Heroes Reborn the Return #4, for instance, where it's stated that they're merely figments of Eternity's imaginations:
http://i.imgur.com/WKNXute.jpg
That should give you the idea about the power gap between a true Abstract and the Celestials.
Although, Eternity is sometimes portrayed to be the most powerful of the abstracts. But regardless, the Celestials aren't really in the Abstract tier.
Just look at some of the crazy omega mutants Marvel are spewing in past few decades.
Originally posted by kgkgTrue. Even in the scans operator posted(which tout the Celestials as the creators of the multiverse, mind you), we learn that one of the Celestials' monstrous creations turned on(and presumably destroyed) a few of them:
That's great but just because you are spawned from Eternity doesn't mean you have to be weaker than him. Even amongst Celestials there is a tier in power ranking.Just look at some of the crazy omega mutants Marvel are spewing in past few decades.
Originally posted by kgkg
That's great but just because you are spawned from Eternity doesn't mean you have to be weaker than him. Even amongst Celestials there is a tier in power ranking.Just look at some of the crazy omega mutants Marvel are spewing in past few decades.
Ok, just because they're spawns of Eternity doesn't mean they're weaker.....but being figments of imagination does, no?
More on point, consistent portrayal shows Eternity definitely above the Celestials, that much is indisputable. So what are you trying to suggest?
I think he's suggesting that just because the Celestials *were* creations of Eternity, does not automatically mean Eternity was superior to them by proxy... Which I agree with. One example of many: Doom /w/ IG created an entire universe, along with every life form within it, from scratch--yet this didn't stop Doom's creations from overpowering him and usurping control of the gems. ie. creations>creator.
Anywho, the most current evidence(which is the most canon) states that the Celestials created the universe/multiverse(ie. Eternity)--not the other way around. This retcon essentially renders the argument moot either way. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
Anywho, the most current evidence(which is the most canon) states that the Celestials created the universe/multiverse(ie. Eternity)--not the other way around. This retcon essentially renders the argument moot either way. /shrug
Most current evidence also has Celestials getting killed by a simple enchantment.....that's not exactly Eternity level if you ask me. Their portrayal has been inconsistent. So even with those recent revelations, i don't think Celestials' "average" puts them in the Abstract tier.
Originally posted by operator616
Most current evidence also has Celestials getting killed by a simple enchantment.....that's not exactly Eternity level if you ask me. Their portrayal has been inconsistent. So even with those recent revelations, i don't think Celestials' "average" puts them in the Abstract tier.
Let's wait and see how Exitar handles the axe.
Originally posted by operator616No it doesn't. In theory Eternity should be the the most powerful entity other than Abstract/creations beyond him. But this is not true as we have seen mutants that have been able surpass him.
Ok, just because they're spawns of Eternity doesn't mean they're weaker.....but being figments of imagination does, no?
More on point, consistent portrayal shows Eternity definitely above the Celestials, that much is indisputable. So what are you trying to suggest?Which is fine. I was just pointing out that being created does not mean you are weaker and is not proof that Eternity > Celestials.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Let's wait and see how Exitar handles the axe.
Well, at least we know for sure now that Celestials can actually resurrect/regenerate from death over time. I guess this is what Galactus meant when he expressed surprise when Thanos w/ HoTU oneshotted Ziran.
