In a comic, they'd be ok. Heck, at least Spidey already has fought Namor a couple of times and done just fine (though not without some help from plot devices in one of their encounters).
On the forums, it's a different story. Subby should tag & bag Cap pretty quickly, and Pete would only hold out for so long before being beaten to a pulp.
In a comic, Namor 6/10; forum setting, Namor 9/10. Pete getting in some strikes with Cap's shield is the only thing that would truly harm Namor, so that's why I leave in the 1/10 possibility.
Spidey can slow down Namor with webbing so that cap can bash his head in with the sharp part of the shield. Web to the eyes works wonders. This gives the team a fighting chance. If cap goes down then Spidey grabs the shield.
Spidey at his best is strong enough to hurt Namor with his blows. It would take a long time though. He can keep webbing his face, dodging or blocking with caps shield. Add in some shield bashes and Spidey has a chance.
I say team 4/10
You know how when Abhi says Superman loses, that's the end of the real debate? I realize my credentials aren't so - ahem - notorious. But I made Spidey's first (and 2nd) respect thread, and won a tourney with him on the roster.
Namor wins this. There's a faint chance, with some epic use of webbing, shield, luck, possible plot devices (in a comic), etc., that they could pull it off. But we're dealing with likelihoods, not faint possibilities. It would take him some time to win...Cap and Spidey aren't dumb, nor easy outs in this context. But their defeat - especially in a forum setting - is pretty inevitable. If you have other information, let's hear it.
Abhi's utter dismissal of the other side is a bit much, but his conclusion is sound in this case. But if bickering one-word responses get you guys off, by all means, don't let me stop you.
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Originally posted by Digi
You know how when Abhi says Superman loses, that's the end of the real debate? I realize my credentials aren't so - ahem - notorious. But I made Spidey's first (and 2nd) respect thread, and won a tourney with him on the roster.Namor wins this. There's a faint chance, with some epic use of webbing, shield, luck, possible plot devices (in a comic), etc., that they could pull it off. But we're dealing with likelihoods, not faint possibilities.
Abhi's utter dismissal of the other side is a bit much, but his conclusion is sound in this case. But if bickering one-word responses get you guys off, by all means, don't let me stop you.
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Originally posted by Digi
You know how when Abhi says Superman loses, that's the end of the real debate? I realize my credentials aren't so - ahem - notorious. But I made Spidey's first (and 2nd) respect thread, and won a tourney with him on the roster.Namor wins this. There's a faint chance, with some epic use of webbing, shield, luck, possible plot devices (in a comic), etc., that they could pull it off. But we're dealing with likelihoods, not faint possibilities. It would take him some time to win...Cap and Spidey aren't dumb, nor easy outs in this context. But their defeat - especially in a forum setting - is pretty inevitable. If you have other information, let's hear it.
Abhi's utter dismissal of the other side is a bit much, but his conclusion is sound in this case. But if bickering one-word responses get you guys off, by all means, don't let me stop you.
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This
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Namor can't beat any of those guys. He can't beat any top tier really. He is around Thing's level tbh. Characters are sometimes written up to fight certain characters or written down (depends on how you look at it). That's why we need feats against nature to be our basis of who is written up or down.
Namor's stock is crazy on this board.On the one hand, you have threads with him fighting Captain Marvel, Red Hulk, Thor.
Then you have threads with him fighting Black Panther (no prep) and this.
Most consider Namor at his best in a forum setting and only Spidey's average. This isn't fair to Spidey. TBH Namor's average is somewhere around Thing's level (Colossus level). He's just a little faster and more mobile.
Spidey with the shield can give Namor one hell of a fight alone. He's faster, has better reflexes, and has the pre-cog SS. Spidey can literally block almost all of Namor's attacks with the shield (or dodge them). He can counter with some serious blows himself. Strength isn't everything. Defense, speed, skill, and smarts also matter.
A shield bash to Namor's head would do some damage. It won't ko him or anything but it will do something. Several of those could possibly turn the tables.
Finally, I'm of the unpopular opinion that Spidey can do well against Namor (without the shield). I value his speed, SS, and agility more than Namor's strength and durability. But I'm not going to argue Spidey beats Namor without the shield.
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor can't beat any of those guys. He can't beat any top tier really. He is around Thing's level tbh. Characters are sometimes written up to fight certain characters or written down (depends on how you look at it). That's why we need feats against nature to be our basis of who is written up or down.Most consider Namor at his best in a forum setting and only Spidey's average. This isn't fair to Spidey. TBH Namor's average is somewhere around Thing's level (Colossus level). He's just a little faster and more mobile.
Spidey with the shield can give Namor one hell of a fight alone. He's faster, has better reflexes, and has the pre-cog SS. Spidey can literally block almost all of Namor's attacks with the shield (or dodge them). He can counter with some serious blows himself. Strength isn't everything. Defense, speed, skill, and smarts also matter.
A shield bash to Namor's head would do some damage. It won't ko him or anything but it will do something. Several of those could possibly turn the tables.
Finally, I'm of the unpopular opinion that Spidey can do well against Namor (without the shield). I value his speed, SS, and agility more than Namor's strength and durability. But I'm not going to argue Spidey beats Namor without the shield.
Not a bad analysis, but I think you're underestimating the gap in base stats (even if we only assume averages for both). I think their fights in comics were actually fairly well-written. Namor struggled to tag Spidey, but SM struggled to do lasting damage to Namor. And Namor was clearly shown to be the superior...SM needed plot contrivances to level the playing field.
It should also be pointed out that the stat gap is too large for Steve to meaningfully affect the outcome (again, in a forum setting). And SM is only going to be so skilled with Cap's shield...its just as likely Namor takes it and caves in Pete's skull. I think the shield is the wild card here, though, which is why the duo could win occasionally. But not often, or consistently.