Originally posted by tkitna
Namor 9/10 and i'm only giving the team 1 due to luck if Spidey can somehow KO Namor with Caps shield. Probably not though.
Originally posted by Digi
In a comic, they'd be ok. Heck, at least Spidey already has fought Namor a couple of times and done just fine (though not without some help from plot devices in one of their encounters).On the forums, it's a different story. Subby should tag & bag Cap pretty quickly, and Pete would only hold out for so long before being beaten to a pulp.
In a comic, Namor 6/10; forum setting, Namor 9/10. Pete getting in some strikes with Cap's shield is the only thing that would truly harm Namor, so that's why I leave in the 1/10 possibility.
Originally posted by Digi
Can we all agree that my initial contribution was the best, and co-sign it before forgetting about this thread?
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Originally posted by h1a8
Namor can't beat any of those guys. He can't beat any top tier really. He is around Thing's level tbh. Characters are sometimes written up to fight certain characters or written down (depends on how you look at it). That's why we need feats against nature to be our basis of who is written up or down.Most consider Namor at his best in a forum setting and only Spidey's average. This isn't fair to Spidey. TBH Namor's average is somewhere around Thing's level (Colossus level). He's just a little faster and more mobile.
Spidey with the shield can give Namor one hell of a fight alone. He's faster, has better reflexes, and has the pre-cog SS. Spidey can literally block almost all of Namor's attacks with the shield (or dodge them). He can counter with some serious blows himself. Strength isn't everything. Defense, speed, skill, and smarts also matter.
A shield bash to Namor's head would do some damage. It won't ko him or anything but it will do something. Several of those could possibly turn the tables.
Finally, I'm of the unpopular opinion that Spidey can do well against Namor (without the shield). I value his speed, SS, and agility more than Namor's strength and durability. But I'm not going to argue Spidey beats Namor without the shield.
He's one shotted a stronger pineapple thing and beat him multiple times. Read more than they're avengers axv appearance.
Namor is many times superior to Spider-Man and he's above thing in strength, durability, speed.....everything. you're low balling him. He has many good fights against marvels elite top teir characters and a few wins. Spider-Man KOing him with caps shield would be somewhat low for Namors durability level. He has speed and agility feats right upo there with Spider-Man so really why would he lose? Your opinion on how posters rank him on kmc is actually the issue of the truth in most cases imo. He has ridiculously low showings against characters such as these so it is understandable
Originally posted by namorsubbyThose are high end feats. If that's the case then we should do the same for Spidey. That's only fair. Under normal circumstances namor has always been a match for Thing. Just look at all their fights.
He's one shotted a stronger pineapple thing and beat him multiple times. Read more than they're avengers axv appearance.Namor is many times superior to Spider-Man and he's above thing in strength, durability, speed.....everything. you're low balling him. He has many good fights against marvels elite top teir characters and a few wins. Spider-Man KOing him with caps shield would be somewhat low for Namors durability level. He has speed and agility feats right upo there with Spider-Man so really why would he lose? Your opinion on how posters rank him on kmc is actually the issue of the truth in most cases imo. He has ridiculously low showings against characters such as these so it is understandable
Also do we throw out all the many instances where Cap shield bashed someone with the sharp edge and causing some lasting effects? He has a degree of super speed but Spidey is significantly faster by feats. Plus the SS makes it nearly impossible (in a forum setting) for Namor to land a clean blow, especially considering Spidey with the shield. Spidey can ko Namor with his fists after many blows. He can ko him even faster with the sharp edge of the shield.
Plus it isn't like Namor is going to come close to one shotting Spidey if he luckily tags him. Spidey can take some serious punishment.
The shield gives the team a chance, without it Namor wins all day long.
Namor beating thing is not high end. Stronger, more durable, faster, more versatile.....why should he lose?
Namor has a significant level of superhuman speed/agility. Spider-Man is faster by a hair imo. Namors more than fast enough to land a blow, which could easily be the end of it given his strength level. Spider-Man is Class 10-20 in average. His fists can't KO Namor(Easily Class 100+) and he should be hard pressed to even with caps shield. He's really in a completely different league than either of these guys.
Originally posted by namorsubbyI disagree that Namor is just a hair slower. Look at both their histories and try not to hand pick some instances that suits Namor. You would never see Namor dance effortlessly around the Hulk or Thor.
Namor beating thing is not high end. Stronger, more durable, faster, more versatile.....why should he lose?Namor has a significant level of superhuman speed/agility. Spider-Man is faster by a hair imo. Namors more than fast enough to land a blow, which could easily be the end of it given his strength level. Spider-Man is Class 10-20 in average. His fists can't KO Namor(Easily Class 100+) and he should be hard pressed to even with caps shield. He's really in a completely different league than either of these guys.
For the sake of argument, let's say that they have the same speed. So don't argue Namor's speed anymore ok. Speed alone won't help Namor hit Spidey. Spidey has pre cog and can sense the attack before Namor throws it. So in a forum setting it will be very difficult for Namor to land a blow with Spidey having the shield and his SS. He could block or dodge almost any attack made by Namor.
Spidey has many class 50 and well beyond feats. Namor just doesn't go around using high class 100+ strength all the time. Look at all the hay makers he threw at lesser beings without killing them. Hell Rhino was able to take punches from him.
I'm just saying, let's be fair to Spidey too, who also has his share of feats of affecting beings well outside his class. The shield will greatly boost his attack power. Please don't ignore all the instances the shield has rocked beings around and beyond Namor's level with only caps strength. Namor can win this but Spidey with the shield has a decent chance.
Originally posted by carver9really what comic is this? That's crazy.
Well, Hulk did just overpower Namor with one hand whereas it took both Thor and Hulk to hold Spiderman still.🙂
Anyway strength has nothing to do with this since Spidey has the ability to ko Namor and has the SS, shield, and reflexes to avoid Namor's attacks. Plus Spidey has webbing to slow Namor down, increasing the speed difference for more hits.
Originally posted by carver9
Well, Hulk did just overpower Namor with one hand whereas it took both Thor and Hulk to hold Spiderman still.🙂
Namor is Thing level. So I don't understand what's so controversial to say that Team takes him for the majority. Spider-man's highs have him taking out beings Thing's level (and beyond), now add in Captain America and his shield........
Comic book or forum setting is not to much different.
What makes the difference if they are in character or blood lusted. I actually would not be surprised if Cap's record against Namor looks as good or even better then Spidermans vs Namor.
And I wouldn't be suprised if Cap can hurt Namor better with his shield then Spiderman using said "shield". Cap knows how to use it way better, Spiderman not so much. So if anyone want this team to at least have a 1/10 by sheer luck. The great weapon that is the shield needs to stay with the more competent fighter.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
You got scans of that first thing you said?