Originally posted by jrodslam
Idgaf what anyone says. Namor being killed like that by Hyperion is pure shit and crap writing. Thats all ill say about that. Good day folks.
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I don't care that he "deserved" it.
Don't care about power levels difference theoretically making it possible.
Namor is a far more interesting character than Hype, he shouldn't have died, period. But if Marvel wanted it so bad, wasn't it supposed to be T'Challa offing him? Lol, Panther. Epic fail.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Strangely a little bit of both, like I said Namor did pretty well against Hyperion in regards to physicals it just went downhill when HV came into the picture, and Hercules is consistently on par if not above Namor in my personal opinion given their fights.What I meant by a little bit of both is that physically I could don't see them being stomped one on one I could see either holding their own for awhile but they're still out classes one on one because of Superman's other options like Heat Vision and Frost Breath.
I think what typically makes Superman so powerful is the plethora of his abilities combined with the fact he has great speed behind them. Here his speed is suggested as equalized.
If he's holding back I think they'd do well but ultimately lose more often than not, but if he's not holding back? It's a stomp.
I know that Namor and Herc are decent in terms of all around strength and durability except for Namor's dehydration issues, but I could see Superman taking Namor out with less than 7-8 high end punches. Herc doesn't have any glaring weaknesses aside from being inferior to Superman in just about every way. Even with speed being equaled in this match, Superman should eventually win, and since this isn't about jobbing, the duo have little to no chance of actually taking this. Superman eventually wins. After Namor falls, Herc at his best lasts for about 5-10 minutes before going down.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hyperion's 2 earth feat impresses me more then any of the misplaced high end context feats for Superman.By that logic Pre-Flashpoint Superman was struggling against a being a weaker Superman fought
So, "I don't like those feats, thus I will just say they're wrong and say my preferred is better."
What are you even arguing?
Originally posted by Delta1938
So, "I don't like those feats, thus I will just say they're wrong and say my preferred is better."What are you even arguing?
That's one way to take words I've posted and interpret it in an entire different form.
That's not what I posted at all, what I posted was the 2 Earth feat is better then anything quantifiable that Supes has accomplished alot of Supes biggest feats is more Fanboyism hopes then actually a practical demonstration of his physical strength which honestly has nothing to do with striking power so is irrelevant unless we're assuming that h2h implies Grappling as well.
I'm talking stuff like minaturaized black holes which The Atom and Batman could be around that gets equated to being just a black hole Supes and often forgotten John Stewart were able to contain. There's several feats from Supes that get blown out of proportion.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That's one way to take words I've posted and interpret it in an entire different form.That's not what I posted at all, what I posted was the 2 Earth feat is better then anything quantifiable that Supes has accomplished alot of Supes biggest feats is more Fanboyism hopes then actually a practical demonstration of his physical strength which honestly has nothing to do with striking power so is irrelevant unless we're assuming that h2h implies Grappling as well.
I'm talking stuff like minaturaized black holes which The Atom and Batman could be around that gets equated to being just a black hole Supes and often forgotten John Stewart were able to contain. There's several feats from Supes that get blown out of proportion.
The black hole was powerful enough to destroy entire solar system. The only reason it didn't is because Superman contained it.
As soon as superman let it go, it actually destroyed a solar system.
John Stewart only had helped when Superman was getting tired holding the Black hole for long.
But how about Superman and Captain Marvel lifting the book of Infinite pages which was explicitly stated to be containing entire multiverse?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That's one way to take words I've posted and interpret it in an entire different form.That's not what I posted at all, what I posted was the 2 Earth feat is better then anything quantifiable that Supes has accomplished alot of Supes biggest feats is more Fanboyism hopes then actually a practical demonstration of his physical strength which honestly has nothing to do with striking power so is irrelevant unless we're assuming that h2h implies Grappling as well.
I'm talking stuff like minaturaized black holes which The Atom and Batman could be around that gets equated to being just a black hole Supes and often forgotten John Stewart were able to contain. There's several feats from Supes that get blown out of proportion.
Superman's feat with Hal was a more than 50 Earth weights feat for Superman. I calculated this feat many times and posted the results.
Superman held a singularity which shielded Batman. The black hole was contained as to why it didn't destroy anything outside of Superman's hand.
ALL black holes are singularities. Even the most massive ones in the universe are the size of atoms. It was stated that the black hole had destroyed solar systems before being contained. The writer's intentions (something we can't dismiss) was that the black hole was capable of destroying the solar system. Lastly, a black hole has infinite force AT the singularity.
The miniature black hole had a containment field around it. Superman grabbed it before the containment field ruptured.
Originally posted by carver9
The miniature black hole had a containment field around it. Superman grabbed it before the containment field ruptured.
By this logic, containing someone in a straitjacket makes them lighter.....
Originally posted by carver9
The miniature black hole had a containment field around it. Superman grabbed it before the containment field ruptured.
That's what makes the feat so great.
The pressure of his fist closed around it KEPT it from expanding. The pressure of his hand closing around it held back the pressure of outward expansion.
Kinda like being able to stop a muffle a grenade's explosion with your bare hands. Except imagine that pressure continuing and not just lasting for a fraction of a second.
Originally posted by carver9
So there is a final number in infinity? I can read the last page of a book with infinite pages?
Absolutely.
Count from 1 to 2. 2 is your End.
Unfortunately, there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2 also that you skipped.
edit: Not to mention, the whole point was that Ultraman didn't actually read the end of anything. He simply thought he saw an end, obviously he was wrong
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That's one way to take words I've posted and interpret it in an entire different form.That's not what I posted at all, what I posted was the 2 Earth feat is better then anything quantifiable that Supes has accomplished alot of Supes biggest feats is more Fanboyism hopes then actually a practical demonstration of his physical strength which honestly has nothing to do with striking power so is irrelevant unless we're assuming that h2h implies Grappling as well.
I'm talking stuff like minaturaized black holes which The Atom and Batman could be around that gets equated to being just a black hole Supes and often forgotten John Stewart were able to contain. There's several feats from Supes that get blown out of proportion.
It's exactly what you said, once you take the mental gymnastics out. As your following argument proves.
So Superman's feats are really fanboyism, but you argue that "strength has nothing to do with striking power," which is.....incorrect, and this is after you were pimping this.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I don't think Namor and Hercules are both physically outclassed they've both done well against characters suggsted to be comparable Sentry and Namor did pretty well recently against Hyperion minus the conclusion.
You don't think Namor is out classed physically because Namor "did pretty well against Hyperion" who you think is superior to Superman because of a non striking feat. Then you dismiss Superman's feats because "nothing to do with striking power." Can you spell "hypocrite?"
And as Abhi posted, the black hole would've destroyed the solar system given the chance.
What does John Stewart being there later have to do with what we see Superman do before he gets involved? These two things you're arguing actually shows it's the other way around, you're a hater who either didn't read it or are dishonestly portraying the scene. Or, you just didn't understand it.
