Originally posted by Genii96Superman's hv is not only hotter than anything Namor experienced but it has concussive powers. Being resistant to heat is not enough. The hv has completed penetrated, like a hot knife through butter, beings that can survive inside stars without any damage.
Namor isn't actually weak to heat,its quite the opposite..he is fireproof and very resistant to temperature changes,including heat and cold.Btw,do these two get their weapons? Like the mace or trident?
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The hv would not be used to burn Namor (if Superman wanted to he could). It would be used to dry Namor out or simply ko him (concussive abilities). Or evaporate the moisture around and on him to weaken him.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Granted, I've only seen the scans second hand, but I've seen Namor beaten multiple times by heat. Including at least twice against Iron Man, underwater, hitting him with steam. Unless they changed things, doesn't heat dehydrate(thus weakening) him? Superman is not someone you want that problem with.Unless mace/trident are standard, they don't get them. Abhi only said Namor gets his suit in the OP.
Also, since Superman has one-shot Bizarro(and a few other examples) with freeze breath, Namor could be one-shot with freeze breath as well, unless you think Namor/Bizarro.
Few times I remember him dehydrated is during his fight with shuri,with her wakandian tech,and I think a nimrod tried to dehydrate him by manipulating the ambient humidity,not sure if that worked...
I am not saying namor would win,I know he dosent,I am just pointing out that he is a strong factor,especially with his current feats of strength/durability...as for the ice,If it held bizarro despite his strength,it will easily hold namor's own..however the ability to emit electricity from his body could come in handy there. Once again,not saying he would win,at all.
Judging by his recent fights,the trident is actually standard for him right now,don't know about the mace for herc tho...I was just pointing out that namor just as much,if not more to the table than hercules.
Originally posted by h1a8
How, Namor and Thing are evenly matched on land. Hercules is a step above. Even in water Hercules is slightly stronger. Namor has speed and mobility to kinda even out the fight.Superman wins this easily. Hv for Namor and Freeze breath for Hercules. Or Bfr Hercules and beat down Namor first.
You probably haven't read any other comic involving namor and thing aside from avx...not even going to bother about the hercules bit
Originally posted by Genii96Namor has several times fought evenly with Thing. I would say from ALL of their fights that Namor is slightly stronger.
Iron man beat namor with steam? That is either a misinpretation or a very,very low end feat,how do u dehydrate namor underwater exactly? Let alone with hot steam?...namor usually just walks right through stark's attacks and beats him to the ground..:e also shrugged of re-entry into the eath's atmosphere etc....he DID have a problem with heat based attacks way back during his invaders time,where jim hammond usually faced him,but since then,he hasn't had much problem,he even carried human torch who was going nova to safety.Few times I remember him dehydrated is during his fight with shuri,with her wakandian tech,and I think a nimrod tried to dehydrate him by manipulating the ambient humidity,not sure if that worked...
I am not saying namor would win,I know he dosent,I am just pointing out that he is a strong factor,especially with his current feats of strength/durability...as for the ice,If it held bizarro despite his strength,it will easily hold namor's own..however the ability to emit electricity from his body could come in handy there. Once again,not saying he would win,at all.
Judging by his recent fights,the trident is actually standard for him right now,don't know about the mace for herc tho...I was just pointing out that namor just as much,if not more to the table than hercules.You probably haven't read any other comic involving namor and thing aside from avx...not even going to bother about the hercules bit
Originally posted by Genii96
Iron man beat namor with steam? That is either a misinpretation or a very,very low end feat,how do u dehydrate namor underwater exactly? Let alone with hot steam?...namor usually just walks right through stark's attacks and beats him to the ground..:e also shrugged of re-entry into the eath's atmosphere etc....he DID have a problem with heat based attacks way back during his invaders time,where jim hammond usually faced him,but since then,he hasn't had much problem,he even carried human torch who was going nova to safety.Few times I remember him dehydrated is during his fight with shuri,with her wakandian tech,and I think a nimrod tried to dehydrate him by manipulating the ambient humidity,not sure if that worked...
It was a while ago I read the scans(and, being second hand, certainly could've been out of context whether intentionally or by mistake). They weren't the only examples shown, but were the worst. The reentry feat was shown, but the examples of heat taking him out(or at least having a very bad effect) outweighed the good examples given. Not saying he couldn't get better. But if heat can have the same type of effect(even if he's more resistant to it), Superman is one of the worst characters for Namor to go against with him one-shoting Despero and other examples.
Originally posted by Genii96
I am not saying namor would win,I know he dosent,I am just pointing out that he is a strong factor,especially with his current feats of strength/durability...as for the ice,If it held bizarro despite his strength,it will easily hold namor's own..however the ability to emit electricity from his body could come in handy there. Once again,not saying he would win,at all.
Judging by his recent fights,the trident is actually standard for him right now,don't know about the mace for herc tho...I was just pointing out that namor just as much,if not more to the table than hercules.
He can give Superman some trouble, since Supes tends to hold back, but Superman has taken on literally stronger teams.
Not sure how it works, but yeah, it did take Bizarro out of the fight. It also restrained Brainiac for a bit before Superman attacked again, and Brainiac is stronger than Superman.
I'm guessing you were referring to potentially escaping from the ice about Namor's electricity? Also, curious what the trident has done. I'm thinking Abhi's OP would rule it out, but I'm wondering regardless of it being allowed or not.
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor has several times fought evenly with Thing. I would say from ALL of their fights that Namor is slightly stronger.
Namor has also had several fights where he's shown to be in the league of Hercules, Thor and Hulk. Despite the tier thread putting him at high Mid-Tier, I place him at low Top-Tier, at least as a brick.
Originally posted by Delta1938
It was a while ago I read the scans(and, being second hand, certainly could've been out of context whether intentionally or by mistake). They weren't the only examples shown, but were the worst. The reentry feat was shown, but the examples of heat taking him out(or at least having a very bad effect) outweighed the good examples given. Not saying he couldn't get better. But if heat can have the same type of effect(even if he's more resistant to it), Superman is one of the worst characters for Namor to go against with him one-shoting Despero and other examples.He can give Superman some trouble, since Supes tends to hold back, but Superman has taken on literally stronger teams.
Not sure how it works, but yeah, it did take Bizarro out of the fight. It also restrained Brainiac for a bit before Superman attacked again, and Brainiac is stronger than Superman.
I'm guessing you were referring to potentially escaping from the ice about Namor's electricity? Also, curious what the trident has done. I'm thinking Abhi's OP would rule it out, but I'm wondering regardless of it being allowed or not.
Namor has also had several fights where he's shown to be in the league of Hercules, Thor and Hulk. Despite the tier thread putting him at high Mid-Tier, I place him at low Top-Tier, at least as a brick.
Well like I said,most scans of him being affected by heat based are old ones,back then simple blasts from hammond forced namor back into the sea,and if he stayed sometimeout of water,he became weak enough that a normal guy actually knocked him out,basically 'classic' era,.only recent one I know of,is where he was ganged on by 3 human torches,including hammond,and he was infected with a virus or so..they all went full throttle on his back,and jim explained that they superheated his spinal fluid,basically giving him a heat stroke,but that would affect just about anyone who isn't completely immune to heat,(it was also noted it was fire proof there too)...other than that,I don't remember any recent scans of him getting messed up by heat...
Yea I was referring to breaking out of the ice with the electricity emission. That ice breath seems to be a cheat code lolz
I know supes wins,I am just pointing out the fallacy of people saying 'namor is a nonfactor but herc gives him trouble' when both namor and herc have clearly been shown to be dead even,as long as namor isn't dehydrated. Namor has taken on and stalemated nearly every top brick,several times on land.
The trident does the basic poseidon stuff,vast hydrokinesis,earthquakes/shockwaves,energy projection,lasers,healing,cursing and some others...its also magical too,and it killed hulk with one hit despite his healing factor,and it also hurt nekkron who was powered by the serpent
Whether this is a glitch or not,it seems namor can just summon it,no matter which place or universe he is...cuz I am pretty sure when the illuminati betrayed him,he didn't have it,and when he fled to ultimate universe he didn't have it either,but had it when the thors came
Originally posted by Genii96
Well like I said,most scans of him being affected by heat based are old ones,back then simple blasts from hammond forced namor back into the sea,and if he stayed sometimeout of water,he became weak enough that a normal guy actually knocked him out,basically 'classic' era,.only recent one I know of,is where he was ganged on by 3 human torches,including hammond,and he was infected with a virus or so..they all went full throttle on his back,and jim explained that they superheated his spinal fluid,basically giving him a heat stroke,but that would affect just about anyone who isn't completely immune to heat,(it was also noted it was fire proof there too)...other than that,I don't remember any recent scans of him getting messed up by heat...
Yea I was referring to breaking out of the ice with the electricity emission. That ice breath seems to be a cheat code lolz
I know supes wins,I am just pointing out the fallacy of people saying 'namor is a nonfactor but herc gives him trouble' when both namor and herc have clearly been shown to be dead even,as long as namor isn't dehydrated. Namor has taken on and stalemated nearly every top brick,several times on land.
From what I'm getting, he can still be dehydrated by heat powerful enough. Which, well, Superman's heat vision should be more than able to. Here's one example of a fight.
Don't know of Despero's showings against heat in general, but he did no-sell reentry. And, well, Despero's an Above Top-Tier brick and all.
Yeah freeze breath is actually pretty damn powerful, but doesn't get a lot of play or attention. There's a couple other examples of him one-shotting opponents who seemed pretty durable, and some pretty good straight-up feats, as well as both Supergirl and Superboy have at least two impressive examples each. But since it's not used too often, people generally aren't aware.
I actually think, until heat vision's used, Namor would be more dangerous to Superman than Hercules since he can fly(and the topic has Superman's flight restricted). But considering the teams and Above Top-Tiers Superman has faced, I don't think they'd do very well if Superman got serious.
Originally posted by Genii96
The trident does the basic poseidon stuff,vast hydrokinesis,earthquakes/shockwaves,energy projection,lasers,healing,cursing and some others...its also magical too,and it killed hulk with one hit despite his healing factor,and it also hurt nekkron who was powered by the serpent
Whether this is a glitch or not,it seems namor can just summon it,no matter which place or universe he is...cuz I am pretty sure when the illuminati betrayed him,he didn't have it,and when he fled to ultimate universe he didn't have it either,but had it when the thors came
Cool stuff. Thanks for sharing. Would like to see some scans if you could.
