Originally posted by Deadline
He tricked the general public into thinking he was a good guy. He then used that to increase his status and power. I think he took over SHIELD it became HAMMER. He stole Tony Stark's tech (got Ghost to break in) and built himself a suit and he lead a team of super villains posing as heroes.Some of it involved fighting with his team but most of it involved manipulation and strategy. He was running Hammer, had effectively an army of supervillains and was leading a cabal of major supervillans.
Anyway I think this is moot because I realise that it seems that Osborn has transcended Spiderman's rogues gallery.
Norman hasn't transcended. Spidey just recently faced off with Osborn in slott's run. His aspirations have gotten loftier but Pete is still smarter. Ock was able to neutralize the avengers and nearly take over the world...but Spidey stopped him too.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't build himself a suit; he stole one and HAMMER guys were working overtime just to make it operational for him.It was missing components, repulsor tech and Tony in his most primitive armor (and heavily brain damaged) was able to fight IP Osborn for a good while.
Loved Dark Reign, though. And Osborn was a global threat when in charge of HAMMER, but the suit he stole was quite shitty. Norman may be brilliant, but he's no Stark.
I got the impression that he got Ghost to break into Tony's base took one of Tony's suits and modified it. Sorry shouldn't have used the word built, guess it was late when I wrote it.
I think my post implied he wasn't as smart as Tony tech wise.
EDIT: Bare in mind that Osborn was dealing with multiple threats and situations when hunting for Tony. I also don't think that he could put his full attention into modifing the suit. Yes he's not as smart as Tony but he sure can mess around with his tech.
Originally posted by XLR87T3
Spider-Man stopped him because he is the hero. Superman fights against the smartest man on the planet, and even when he has the entire Justice League defeated, Superman still wins against Luthor because the show has to keep rolling.
Spider-man has also outsmarted hank pym, Tony Stark, Reed Richards, invented parker particles which create herald level metas, fixed a cosmic cube and made a time machine out of household junk...he's MUCH smarter than Osborn if we tally up all the feats...if anything its Osborn who gets cut a break. Otto is the one who's intelligence matches up much better.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't build himself a suit; he stole one and HAMMER guys were working overtime just to make it operational for him.It was missing components, repulsor tech and Tony in his most primitive armor (and heavily brain damaged) was able to fight IP Osborn for a good while.
Loved Dark Reign, though. And Osborn was a global threat when in charge of HAMMER, but the suit he stole was quite shitty. Norman may be brilliant, but he's no Stark.
Wasn't he using repulsors here?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Osborn had an inferior incomplete suit. Also lol at him running the Cabal when Namor, Doom and Frost were actively against him. People need to read a book
I know they were. Yoiu can still be the head of something and still have people undermine you. Dr Doom left and was replaced by Taskmaster. Want me to explain every single detail?
The point is that they still agreed for Norman to be the head. It still very impressive cos all the things he had to do at the same time. Kill Punisher (succeded), kill Hulk, Kill Tony, take over Sans Fransico, keep Sentry stable, save the world, run a super team, run HAMMER etc etc.
Now I'm sure in all these examples you can find something that makes him not look so fantastic but I'm sorry don't have the time to do that. Maybe next time I should say what page number it was, spell out the sentence and tell you who the letterer was. But hey the point is what Norman did was impressive.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I say we all let Deadline be our leader. I mean, it's nominal and as soon as we disagree with him it's back to Carver9 for us, but hey, if it massages his ego and let's us get what we want, he can call himself anything he likes.
I get it. I could also mention that Norman didn't kill The Punisher with his barehands Daken did it. So technically Norman didn't kill The Punisher. I'm not going to remember or have the time to add every detail.
They were following his lead to an extent and Norman had to have clout for them even to meet and work with him to a degree. That's impressive.
