Originally posted by Epicurus
@ddm: I disagree that the Twivamps are class 100. They had uber strength feats, but nothing which conclusively puts them in the same range as someone like Zelda-Link or the most common portrayals of Hulk.
Low class 100. Meaning, 300-400 tons.
Regardless of the feats, we have not see the twivamps really strain with anything in the books but in the films, Edward struggled with that tree and based on a white-paper I found for horizontally pulling/pushing trees, it puts Edward in the 200-400 tonne-force range.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Low class 100. Meaning, 300-400 tons.Regardless of the feats, we have not see the twivamps really strain with anything in the books but in the films, Edward struggled with that tree and based on a white-paper I found for horizontally pulling/pushing trees, it puts Edward in the 200-400 tonne-force range.
What scene is this?
Originally posted by carver9
What scene is this?
Since I actually like you, I won't be a dick.
I'll post the screen shots:
There's a nice huge tree, being pushed over.
A small tree, when uprooted horizontally, requires around 50-100 tonne-force. They (the publishers of the document) mentioned it was "double" for trees twice that size and that tree looks larger than "twice that size". So, we are sitting in a 100-tonne force area. Include that Edward is pushing over a fully grown tree and not just a tree stump, the ground is frozen on the surface (making it far more difficult), we have a situation where Twivamps are very strong.
This fits closer, as far as strength goes, with Edwards statement that Vampires are "thousands of times stronger than humans."
The low end feats are just that: low-end. They do not represent a vamp straining with all their might.
Bella described her strength in a different way and I did the math on that, too.
Edit - Found it:
"1,401,620 tonne-force"
That's how strong Bella was with one-arm. lol She was a newborn, though. They are "a lot stronger" then regular vampires, according to Carlisle.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Low class 100. Meaning, 300-400 tons.Regardless of the feats, we have not see the twivamps really strain with anything in the books but in the films, Edward struggled with that tree and based on a white-paper I found for horizontally pulling/pushing trees, it puts Edward in the 200-400 tonne-force range.
Imo, the truck one-palming feat is better and more quantifiable. along with decapitating people with diamond-hard skin. Neither of which require one to be class 100 in order to get the job done fro what I know.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Bella described her strength in a different way and I did the math on that, too.Edit - Found it:
"1,401,620 tonne-force"
That's how strong Bella was with one-arm. lol She was a newborn, though. They are "a lot stronger" then regular vampires, according to Carlisle.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Lol, you don't actually believe that a newborn Twivamp has the strength of over a million tons in a single arm, do you?
Nearly 1.5 million tons?
...
What.... The.... Ever living F**k?
That's more than strong enough to lift most of the Earth's landmass from the crust!
I think the movie developers don't know shit about physics. I mean, she'd be ripping the planet apart just by walking!
Originally posted by Epicurus
^Nah, it's probably a slip-up on ddm's part. Though the over hundred ton force claims too seem like exaggerations to me.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Lol, you don't actually believe that a newborn Twivamp has the strength of over a million tons in a single arm, do you?
I do not believe Twilight Vampires exist, if that's what you're asking.
In the fictional universe that Meyers created, that's what was stated. I don't have to believe in it to quantify statements.
"Cars are like styrofoam."
"Thousands of times stronger than humans."
Those statements can be quantified. You don't have to believe the characters are real, though.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nearly 1.5 million tons?...
What.... The.... Ever living F**k?
That's more than strong enough to lift most of the Earth's landmass from the crust!
I think the movie developers don't know shit about physics. I mean, she'd be ripping the planet apart just by walking!
Tonne-force is not the same thing as tons.
Also, I have no idea where you go that "crust" thing from. The force two hands would have on trying to life the "crust" would cause the rock to crumble.
I know it happens all the time in comics but no one can lift shit like that in the real world because the materials they are lifting couldn't withstand those forces in the immediate lifting vicinity.
So, no, 1.5 million tonne-force applied to a small area the size of two Bella hands is never going to lift any crust except maybe pizza.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Quick questionIf I ripped of a normal adult males arm, is that a high strength showing for me, or a low durability showing for them?
Since you qualified the statement, "normal adult male", then you are just super-humanly strong. Humans are decently durable creatures.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Tonne-force is not the same thing as tons.Also, I have no idea where you go that "crust" thing from. The force two hands would have on trying to life the "crust" would cause the rock to crumble.
I know it happens all the time in comics but no one can lift shit like that in the real world because the materials they are lifting couldn't withstand those forces in the immediate lifting vicinity.
So, no, 1.5 million tonne-force applied to a small area the size of two Bella hands is never going to lift any crust except maybe pizza.
It takes the strength equivelant of 160,000 tonnes to lift a continent.
You are ignoring the gist of what I'm saying, if the entire surface area of the planet was made out of unbreakable metal, like adamantium for example, then according to your own calc, she would be able to literally benchpress it. That's a ludicrous thing.
That said, every time she took a step, she would either wipe out all life on the planet, or she'd punch a hole straight through the planet. Every step.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It takes the strength equivelant of 160,000 tonnes to lift a continent.
haha, no.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You are ignoring the gist of what I'm saying, if the entire surface area of the planet was made out of unbreakable metal, like adamantium for example, then according to your own calc, she would be able to literally benchpress it. That's a ludicrous thing.
lol, no. Not even close.
2.9 g/cm3 is the Earth's Crust's Density.
Some easy math.
How much volume can you get out of 1.5 million tonne-force (a rather convoluted and stupid question).
Assume it is the amount of force 1.5 million tonnes of earth exerts due to the acceleration of gravity.
1500 million g = 2.9 g/cm3 *x
517 million cm^3
Or 517 million cubic centimeters of earth.
Or...
517,241,000 cubic centimeters of earth.
Or, a cube whose sides are 802.7 cm long.
That's large but not even remotely very large.
That's a cube that's essentially 8x8x8 meters.
This article gives you an idea of what a million gallons looks like (to give you a visual scale....hint...the crust is almost 3 times as dense as water so you're looking at an object that has a volume 3 times as less...I think...forget about those cubic conversions, sometimes).
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/mgd.html
So, basically, Bella is able to exert, with one arm, as much force as required to pulverize a medium sized boulder. Yeah, I think a cement truck, if traveling at that seed and was assumed to be a rigid body (not collision elasticity), it would easily pulverize a medium sized boulder.
That math checks out, mang. 🙂 It works. It's not that exaggerated. Sure, it puts Bella as a 100 ton classer, but we already knew Twivamps were 100 ton classers from previous feats.
I don't think Edward could do the same as Bella are his feats even a magnitude as close as hers.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That said, every time she took a step, she would either wipe out all life on the planet, or she'd punch a hole straight through the planet. Every step.
Well, since your premise is horribly wrong, you conclusion is irrelevant.
