Khan vs T-1000 vs E Cullen vs T-X vs Voldemort vs ASM

Originally posted by Epicurus
He not only had her under his control, he was practically draining her life-force from her. You are an idiot.

Complete and utter lie. He possessed Harry in OOP. He possessed Quirrell in Sorcerer's stone. Neither of whom had a horcrux in their hands at the time.

She wasn't under complete control, that was why she was able to throw the book away in the first place, again Harry was able to fight back and kick him out and Quirrel wasn't a real possession, Tommy was just riding piggy back on his head.

At no point did Tommy boy show the ability to take control of people quickly and the only 2 examples that happened on screen involved the people being in possession of a horcrux.

Originally posted by Silent Master
She wasn't under complete control, that was why she was able to throw the book away in the first place, again Harry was able to fight back and kick him out and Quirrel wasn't a real possession, Tommy was just riding piggy back on his head.

At no point did Tommy boy show the ability to take control of people quickly and the only 2 examples that happened on screen involved the people being in possession of a horcrux.

You are a liar, an idiot, and a troll. Triple combo to be more precise.👆

Originally posted by Epicurus
Horcrux possession isn't the same as Voldy's possession. Seeing how he took over Harry's body in OOP, and the only reason Harrry survived was due to the bullsh1t "love conquers all" plot device along with his mother's protection.

And the 3 facts that Voldy had to use a spell to do it, 2 Harry's own personal willpower was quite good, and 3 Harry had a portion of Voldy's soul. Voldemort didn't do much with Harry's body besides writhe around.

Actually, by that point, didn't the lions share of Lily's spell cease being in effect once Voldemort revived with Harry's blood?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And the 2 facts that Voldy had to use a spell to do it, 2 Harry's own personal willpower was quite good, and 3 harry had a portion of Voldy's soul. Voldemort didn't do much with Harry's body besides writhe around.

Actually, bu that point, didn't the lions share of Lily's specc cease being in effect once Voldemort revived with Harry's blood?

That was only limited to physical touch. Per Dumbledore, Voldemort's mutilated soul still couldn't bear to be in contact with Harry's pure one, even after he regenerated. Not to mention that he messed sh1t up even worse by acquiring Harry's blood, since that created a 2-way link between the 2.

Originally posted by Epicurus
She was lying comatose int he Chamber. She went back to retrieve the diary after she threw it away. Again, Harry only did do due to the plot device love thing, you troll. Yes, Quirrell was since we see Vold's power being shared by Quirrel and how drinking unicorn blood was actually benefitting Quirrell more than Vold. Vold also admitted that the only power he retained after his body got destroyed was the power of possession.

You are a liar, an idiot, and a troll. Triple combo to be more precise.👆

Yea at the end of the year...great, you just proved that it took Tommy boy an entire year to take full control of an 11 year old girl. good job.

Originally posted by Epicurus
When did Voldy use a spell to possess Harry? Heck, iirc in OOP Harry was even getting worried that he might be possessed by Voldy already due to his visions. Which means that possession is part and parcel of his powerset. Again, that was only because of the retarded love plot device.

That was only limited to physical touch. Per Dumbledore, Voldemort's mutilated soul still couldn't bear to be in contact with Harry's pure one, even after he regenerated. Not to mention that he messed sh1t up even worse by acquiring Harry's blood, since that created a 2-way link between the 2.

Legilimency and Occlumency are specifically schools of magic, not innate powers. This is what Voldemort used, and what Snape tried to train harry into defending against specifically against Voldemort.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Legilimency and Occlumency are specifically schools of magic, not innate powers. This is what Voldemort used, and what Snape tried to train harry into defending against specifically against Voldemort.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea at the end of the year...great, you just proved that it took Tommy boy an entire year to take full control of an 11 year old girl. good job.

In the meantime, brush up your trolling skills, Troll.

Originally posted by Epicurus
At the end of the year she was practically dead from having her life drained from her. That goes way beyond simple possession, you clueless moron.

In the meantime, brush up your trolling skills, Troll.

You're the one that brought it up, I've already pointed out that she was able to resist his control enough to throw away the book...so we know that at the very least it took Tommy boy several months to an entire year to gain full control of an 11 year old girl.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Voldemort didn't use legilimency to take control of Harry in OOP. I am talking about the scene during battle with Dumbledore.

I know which scene you're reffering to, and having recently reviewed the movies in question less than a week ago, I conclude that the movies do not state how Voldemort did it. Therefore, we must take the primary canon (the books) at face value.

I know, I know, movie only rules, but in this case, I believe the supporting evidence (IE: the Books) are not overruled in this case, specifically because the movies present no evidence on the subject.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yeah, but I consider that to be PIS since in the very same scene he literally single-handedly overpowers the TX and restrains it while jamming his unstable fuel cell in its mouth.

Not possess them, but he can control/befuddle them with confundus charm. Seeing how it worked on the goblet of fire itself, I don't see why it won't work on the machines. Not to mention that by possessing Edward, he would get a significant stat boost, as his hosts get access to his magic(eg. Quirrell).

It's not PIS. She was badly damaged, she didn't even have legs. The T-850 showed that he was capable of going toe to toe with the T-X in their fight scene. Sure he lost but he held his own.

This all depends on who fights who and in what order.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I know which scene you're reffering to, and having recently reviewed the movies in question less than a week ago, I conclude that the movies do not state how Voldemort did it. Therefore, we must take the primary canon (the books) at face value.

I know, I know, movie only rules, but in this case, I believe the supporting evidence (IE: the Books) are not overruled in this case, specifically because the movies present no evidence on the subject.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In books he was stated to have merged his soul with Harry's soul to possess him, not with legilimency IIRC.

If that's the case, that's an even stronger indicator that Voldemort cannot do it normally.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If that's the case, that's an even stronger indicator that Voldemort cannot do it normally.

IOW, it was due to the fact that Harry had a horcrux inside him...like I've been saying this entire time....though I doubt Epicurus will admit to being wrong.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I know which scene you're reffering to, and having recently reviewed the movies in question less than a week ago, I conclude that the movies do not state how Voldemort did it. Therefore, we must take the primary canon (the books) at face value.

I know, I know, movie only rules, but in this case, I believe the supporting evidence (IE: the Books) are not overruled in this case, specifically because the movies present no evidence on the subject.

Which apparently proves my point. And since we're going by books, what about Voldemort's comments regarding the fact that he has possessed people beyond Quirrell, not to mention that said possessions aren't even limited to humans as he has done so to snakes as well(though the process ended up killing those snakes once he left their bodies). The latter feat being performed while he was still hiding in Albania.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's not PIS. She was badly damaged, she didn't even have legs. The T-850 showed that he was capable of going toe to toe with the T-X in their fight scene. Sure he lost but he held his own.

This all depends on who fights who and in what order.

Her trying to hold him back with TWO hands did nothing to stop him. Now tell me you think that isn't PIS.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If that's the case, that's an even stronger indicator that Voldemort cannot do it normally.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're the one that brought it up, I've already pointed out that she was able to resist his control enough to throw away the book...so we know that at the very least it took Tommy boy several months to an entire year to gain full control of an 11 year old girl.

Try harder. Maybe then you could score some imaginary brownie points, Troll. Until then your flopped trollery is duly noted and dismissed as the worthless piece of trash that it is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, it was due to the fact that Harry had a horcrux inside him...like I've been saying this entire time....though I doubt Epicurus will admit to being wrong.

You fail yet again, Troll.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, you brought it up, Troll. And failed horribly at attempting to twist it to lowball Voldemort. I only stuck to the possession feats performed by Voldemort himself, not his horcruxes.

Try harder. Maybe you could score some imaginary brownie points, Troll.

He only performed sed possesion feats on people that were conected to a horcrux.