1. The Force can sense shit everywhere, which is why Obi has Luke train with a remote blind.
2. Precog negates speed to some degree, which is why young Ani can compete in pod races despite being human.
3. Spidey has zero defense against TK. If Obi-Wan is bloodlusted and uses it to kill/pin down, there's nothing Spidey can do about that.
4. Spidey-sense is misleading. if the Force is dangerous to him and it's everywhere, he'll be confused.
Obi Wan doesn't have extremely powerful force powers. Besides, if Obi Wan wants to use TK, he has to know where Spiderman is. Not only can Spiderman hide on top of, behind and in buildings ~ but spidey is also invisible.
Spidey has an advantage in city mobility and long range attacks. Also, force sense doesn't render obi wan invincible, he can still be hit
Originally posted by Firefly218
Obi Wan doesn't have extremely powerful force powers. Besides, if Obi Wan wants to use TK, he has to know where Spiderman is. Not only can Spiderman hide on top of, behind and in buildings ~ but spidey is also invisible.Spidey has an advantage in city mobility and long range attacks. Also, force sense doesn't render obi wan invincible, he can still be hit
1. Yes, he does, for the purpose of this fight. He can ragdoll Spidey; Spidey does not have TK defensive powers. Obi-Wan has moved things the size of cars, used super speed, and technically could choke Spidey, push his eyes into his head, etc. It depends on whether or not you are making this a bloodlusted, no morals battle or a battle using 'in-character' morality.
2. Obi-Wan can sense Spider-man. The assumption is he may not be able to physically see Spidey, but he knows he's around/a danger. Unless your intention is Obi-Wan wanders into an arena with his saber out for no good reason. We have many instances of beings using the Force to sense others, especially when they are danger.
3. Spidey's range is irrelevant if Obi-Wan TK's him out of the gate. Hell, he could trip the guy, run over and saber him in half. At the very least, he'd put Spidey on the defensive. You act like Obi-Wan is a level 6 mage who requires prep and spell components to use his ace power here; he doesn't. Again, unless you're saying "Obi will spend this fight being a model Jedi knight", there's no reason he can't constrict Spidey's mask, or throw him about.
CIS is intact for both characters.
Obi Wan may be able to sense spidey, just as he can sense poeple on distant planets, but he can only use TK powers if he can actually see spidey. Give me a movie feat that suggests otherwise.
Range is very relevant. As mentioned before, only really old characters like Yoda have an extreme command of the force. Obi Wan has not shown he can use the force to any extent where we can assume he can use it on spidey. Spidey is extremely quick/fast, agile and is invisible - I doubt young Obi Wan can do much against that.
As seen in various fights, Obi Wan CAN get hit. Just because Obi Wan has force sense and precog does not mean that he is invincible.
Originally posted by Firefly218
CIS is intact for both characters.Obi Wan may be able to sense spidey, just as he can sense poeple on distant planets, but he can only use TK powers if he can actually see spidey. Give me a movie feat that suggests otherwise.
Obi and Qui-Gon disable droids in TPM with TK. The droids are shoved over and stop working. The novelization indicates that at this time, both are using TK to manipulate the insides of the droids to disable them; something they can't visible see in the instant.
Also, the idea that Force users can sense things all around them but only use TK on what they can visibly see seems rather far-fetched.
Range is very relevant. As mentioned before, only really old characters like Yoda have an extreme command of the force. Obi Wan has not shown he can use the force to any extent where we can assume he can use it on spidey. Spidey is extremely quick/fast, agile and is invisible - I doubt young Obi Wan can do much against that.
It's irrelevant because at any point when Spidey is close enough to Obi to harm him, he's well within TK range.
As seen in various fights, Obi Wan CAN get hit. Just because Obi Wan has force sense and precog does not mean that he is invincible.
True. In the fights with other Force users who have TK/precog/etc he gets tagged. And in a fight with a bounty hunter he is trying to detain, not kill, he gets tagged.
He is mortal. But I'm simply pointing out that his use of the Force and TK is a huge advantage, and invisibility/danger sense doesn't compare. Obi-Wan could sense that Spidey is going to sling-shot in and move just to the right place and bisect him.
The TK just makes it less fair.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Obi and Qui-Gon disable droids in TPM with TK. The droids are shoved over and stop working. The novelization indicates that at this time, both are using TK to manipulate the insides of the droids to disable them; something they can't visible see in the instant.
Using TK in close proximity against stationary droids isn't an impressive feat. Even if they couldn't technically see inside the droid to disable it, they don't need to in that situation.
An incredibly fast, agile, invisible target very far away - such as spidey - is a different story.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, the idea that Force users can sense things all around them but only use TK on what they can visibly see seems rather far-fetched.
You do realize that Jedi sense stimuli that they can't actually manipulate right? When Darth Vader sensed Obi Wan in his ship, why didn't Vader just TK him out the airlock? Because Vader has to target him to do that, and Vader can't target Obi Wan unless he is in sight. Same reason Jedi can't TK with people on other planets, even though they can sense them. In order to direct the force at someone/something, Jedi must be able to precisely target it/him/her.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It's irrelevant because at any point when Spidey is close enough to Obi to harm him, he's well within TK range.
As stated before, spidey has advantage of city mobility and long -range attacks.
Once again, Jedi CAN be hit, despite force sense. Even if Obi Wan can see it coming, he may be too slow to react.