Originally posted by Firefly218
Obi Wan may be able to sense spidey, just as he can sense poeple on distant planets, but he can only use TK powers if he can actually see spidey. Give me a movie feat that suggests otherwise.
No you don't.
We see Yoda lift the X-wing with his eyes closed, Luke is levitating rocks when his eyes are closed, etc...
Originally posted by ares834
No you don't.We see Yoda lift the X-wing with his eyes closed, Luke is levitating rocks when his eyes are closed, etc...
Yes but Yoda knew the position of the X-wing, considering it was stationary, and mentally targeted it.
Obi Wan does not necessarily NEED to see spidey to TK him, but he needs to know where spidey is. Which is difficult when spidey is invisible, insanely fast and agile, and very far away.
Vader's "ship" was the size of a moon and full of other humans... lol
By contrast, this fight takes place in an empty New York. And, while Kenobi may not be able to TK Spiderman from miles away, Spiderman also can't attack from very far distances. He'll need to get fairly close if he wants to use his webs.
Originally posted by ares834
Vader's "ship" was the size of a moon and full of other humans... lolBy contrast, this fight takes place in an empty New York. And, while Kenobi may not be able to TK Spiderman from miles away, Spiderman also can't attack from very far distances. He'll need to get fairly close if he wants to use his webs.
Inanimate substances are not discriminated against by the force. This is seen when Yoda senses Luke's ship, which is an inorganic/inanimate object. This means that animate/organic things are equally distracting to the force sense as inanimate/inorganic things - which means that people are equally distracting to the force as objects. NYC is full of things/objects, so the absence of people shouldn't matter.
So you agree that Kenobi needs to actually target spidey to TK him 👆
In that case I argue that spidey can evade kenobi's TK by hiding in nearby buildings, which are close enough for web attacks.
Originally posted by Firefly218
No one had explained anything at the time of your posting. Which is why I asked for the reasoning behind your opinion.Are you a kid pretending to be an adult, or an adult pretending to be a kid?
No you refuse to read. Your the kid making stupid threads and trying to defend an a point which holds no value.
Force>Spiderman
Originally posted by Firefly218
Being able to sense does not give a location. Vader could sense kenobi on his ship, but still had to find him.If Jedi could do as you say, they would be way too powerful.
I'm not sure why you're using the example of an advanced Force user who wants to remain hidden. I realize you are EU-ignorant, but they have Force abilities to obscure their own locations. Spiderman does not have this. Also, he would probably make a ****ton of noise in an empty city with great accoustics like NYC.
You seem to think that agility beats precog and TK. I can't point out how unfounded this is here. Obi-Wan Kenobi has deflected near-range rapid fire blaster bolts while barely moving in comparison because of precog for one; two, he's used TK to manipulate everything from tiny small intricate details to larger car like obstacles. Manipulating or throwing Spidey is not at all difficult.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm not sure why you're using the example of an advanced Force user who wants to remain hidden. I realize you are EU-ignorant, but they have Force abilities to obscure their own locations. Spiderman does not have this. Also, he would probably make a ****ton of noise in an empty city with great accoustics like NYC.You seem to think that agility beats precog and TK. I can't point out how unfounded this is here. Obi-Wan Kenobi has deflected near-range rapid fire blaster bolts while barely moving in comparison because of precog for one; two, he's used TK to manipulate everything from tiny small intricate details to larger car like obstacles. Manipulating or throwing Spidey is not at all difficult.
Good points
Fair enough, concession granted.
If Spiderman can shoot invisible webs, I think he wins the majority. He can fling obi-wan high into the air and the falls would injure him. I think he can get some webs through obi-wan's force sense if they are invisible. Just my opinion. If they aren't, obi-wan can quickly see and block them with light saber. If SM gets close, light saber finishes him--not easily cuz he us fast, but obi-wan will catch him with the saber.
An interesting point was brought up about the distance from which a jedi can use TK on a person or to locate a person's exact location. Most of the time it appears they have to be pretty close, but we have the case of Vader force chocking the commander whoever from a vast distance via tv screen. I believe obiwan could sense spiderman from any reasonable attack distance, cuz remember when he and Annikan sensed those poisonous slugs about the kill the princess? Those were small lifeforms and they were in the next room behind a closed door.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Grievous has dodged the Force at points, so agility is somewhat effective against Force attacks. Particularly since Spidey can cling to surfaces to resist TK if he needs to.
Neph, we covered this. One of the 'dodges' was not a dodge at all and the other one was him using magnet soles to recover. I reviewed the videos with you.