Black Widow has guns...
And Arwen has absolutely no combat feats. As for magic, I'm not sure if it's mentioned in the movies, but Elrond (with a little help from Gandalf) was technically the one who summoned the flood. Not to mention, even if we do attribute it to her, her only chance is to get BW to walk into a river and hope she doesn't get shot while chanting for several seconds.
Originally posted by ares834
Black Widow has guns...And Arwen has absolutely no combat feats. As for magic, I'm not sure if it's mentioned in the movies, but Elrond (with a little help from Gandalf) was technically the one who summoned the flood. Not to mention, even if we do attribute it to her, her only chance is to get BW to walk into a river and hope she doesn't get shot while chanting for several seconds.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The OP states that BW has guns? I dont think so
Why wouldn't she? It's her typical equipment.
Originally posted by Firefly218
You may be right about Elrond being behind the flood, but Arwen can still do some insane magic - like when she healed Aragorn in his dreams.
Pretty sure nothing indicates Aragorn was healed. But sure, Arwen does have magic as she has prophetic visions. I never claimed she didn't. The problem is she never uses it in combat.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Arwen is physically superior to BW, being an elf, and we can assume had extensive h2h training.
Not really. And we certainly can't assume it's on an even level with BW who can clear a room of guards in seconds.
Originally posted by Slowpoke
That was in the book, in the movie, it was Arwen's work.
Just checked the script. It's not.
"If I can cross the river, the power of my people can protect him." She may have triggered the defense but it isn't her power.
Originally posted by ares834
Just checked the script. It's not."If I can cross the river, the power of my people can protect him." She may have triggered the defense but it isn't her power. [/B]
Her spell's translation is:
'Waters of the Misty Mountains
listen to the great word;
flow waters of Loudwater
against the Ringwraiths!'
So it is her spell which summoned the water to strike the Nazgul. Her previous words probably means the elf soldiers could defend them.
The OP does not state any specifications, therefore this should be h2h by default.
Arwen may not have many physical feats, but I think we can both agree that she's physically superior to BW. Elves, as a race, are immensely stronger, faster, more agile and more durable than humans. Also I find it hard to believe Elrond's daughter wasn't trained in h2h as every other elf in LotR is.
I do agree that if BW had a gun she would win.
Originally posted by ares834
No. We assume standard gear unless otherwise specified. Standard gear would include guns for BW.I wouldn't say so. BW is also physically superior to most humans. Nor is every elf trained in combat.
Arwen clearly is trained, she could outrun the Ringwraith and armed with a sword.
Originally posted by Slowpoke
Her spell's translation is:'Waters of the Misty Mountains
listen to the great word;
flow waters of Loudwater
against the Ringwraiths!'So it is her spell which summoned the water to strike the Nazgul. Her previous words probably means the elf soldiers could defend them.
Uh... no.
She is clearly talking about some spell placed on the river. Because you apparently missed it I'll post the quote again, "If I can cross the river, the power of my people can protect him." Here she straight up says that if she crosses the river, the elves' power will protect Frodo. And lo and behold, that's exactly what happens.
She then triggers said spell when she crosses the river. 👆
You cannot properly define "standard equipment" without OP specifications. BW has used many different weapons.
Also, at the epitome of her ability, BW has taken out low level henchmen. I think she would have trouble with someone physically superior to her.
Maybe it won't be a stomp, but i still think arwen wins.