Maybe someone can point out this superhuman punching/fighting Thor has, cos to me it looks like Thor is punching as fast as Hemsworth can punch; he's just a regular buff man.
Maybe someone can point out this superhuman punching/fighting Thor has, cos to me it looks like Thor is punching as fast as Hemsworth can punch; he's just a regular buff man.
Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe someone can point out this superhuman punching/fighting Thor has, cos to me it looks like Thor is punching as fast as Hemsworth can punch; he's just a regular buff man.
Well, that's a similar argument I made regarding Spider-man vs. Doc Ock. Either Spider-man was pulling his punches or that was plot induced stupidity.
Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe someone can point out this superhuman punching/fighting Thor has, cos to me it looks like Thor is punching as fast as Hemsworth can punch; he's just a regular buff man.
Thor doesn't have superspeed if that's what you're looking for. What most of us are saying is that he has shown great combat speed, similar to what great human fighters have. ANd it's way above than what Wolverine has shown.
Logan gets hit all the time. Thor rarely gets hit when he doesn't want to, especially in a fair fight.
Besides, Wade Wilson also only moved at human speeds. Didn't stop him from being able to cut bullets in half. Are we to assume that he isn't fast as well?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor doesn't have superspeed if that's what you're looking for. What most of us are saying is that he has shown great combat speed, similar to what great human fighters have. ANd it's way above than what Wolverine has shown.Logan gets hit all the time. Thor rarely gets hit when he doesn't want to, especially in a fair fight.
Its Hugh Jackman vs Hemsworth, I doubt the Hemsworth is "way above" Hugh in terms of speed.
Thor gets hit fine, ask Hulk and Kurse - and those two are brawlers, not skilled.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Besides, Wade Wilson also only moved at human speeds. Didn't stop him from being able to cut bullets in half. Are we to assume that he isn't fast as well?
The important difference is Wade cuts bullets, *THEREFORE* we can draw inferences about his speed. Personally I think its more skill, coordination and bullet timing. Discussed this in another thread already.
You don't just get to say Thor is fast yet with no feats demonstrating that it is true.
Originally posted by Placidity
Its Hugh Jackman vs Hemsworth, I doubt the Hemsworth is "way above" Hugh in terms of speed.Thor gets hit fine, ask Hulk and Kurse - and those two are brawlers, not skilled.
The important difference is Wade cuts bullets, *THEREFORE* we can draw inferences about his speed. Personally I think its more skill, coordination and bullet timing. Discussed this in another thread already.
You don't just get to say Thor is fast yet with no feats demonstrating that it is true.
No it's not Jackman vs. Hemsworth. It's movie Wolverine vs. movie Thor. Wolverine gets hit all the time. Hulk never hit Thor unless it was via cheapshot or when Thor was off his feet. And Kurse was pretty darn skilled himself, fast enough to swat Mjolnir away even when his back was turned. You don't need super speed to be a fast fighter. Mayweather doesn't have super speed, but he sure as hell is a fast fighter.
Point is, Thor has been shown multiple times able to duck and dodge around hits. Only an idiot would claim otherwise. We've mentioned and posted lots of feats. Not our fault that you refuse to acknowledge them.
Wolverine on the other hand, almost always gets hit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, that's a similar argument I made regarding Spider-man vs. Doc Ock. Either Spider-man was pulling his punches or that was plot induced stupidity.
We're talking about speed, specifically.
And it stands to reason in that scene that Spider-Man was not hitting as hard as he could since he's not a killer. That's far more logical than Ock having a superhuman durable face cos of his accident.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor blocks multiple energy weapons, *THEREFORE* can't we also draw inferences about his speed?
That would be a rational argument, yes.
You would have to look at the speed of the bolts as well. But again, it would be more to do with coordination not speed. I am consistent in my beliefs, as I said the same for Wade.
The point is, you can't just say:
1: Wade Blocks Bullets, therefore he has superspeed.
2: Wade moves at human speed.
3: Thor moves at human speed too, therefore Thor has superspeed.
This was the argument presented previously.
I don't agree with premise 1, but that's for another topic that I'm already over.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor doesn't have superspeed if that's what you're looking for. What most of us are saying is that he has shown great combat speed, similar to what great human fighters have. ANd it's way above than what Wolverine has shown.Logan gets hit all the time. Thor rarely gets hit when he doesn't want to, especially in a fair fight.
Besides, Wade Wilson also only moved at human speeds. Didn't stop him from being able to cut bullets in half. Are we to assume that he isn't fast as well?
His combat speed is just as fast and Hemsworth can move his arms, cos except when the hammer is swinging by the strap, no CGI/SFX are used to give the impression of something greater.
Thor get hits.
CGI/SFX was used to make Ryan Reynolds seem a lot faster with his blades. That's the difference. When we see Thor, it's just Hemsworth punching as fast as Hemsworth can punch.
Originally posted by Placidity
That would be a rational argument, yes.You would have to look at the speed of the bolts as well. But again, it would be more to do with coordination not speed. I am consistent in my beliefs, as I said the same for Wade.
The point is, you can't just say:
1: Wade Blocks Bullets, therefore he has superspeed.
2: Wade moves at human speed.
3: Thor moves at human speed too, therefore Thor has superspeed.
This was the argument presented previously.
I don't agree with premise 1, but that's for another topic that I'm already over.
Thor doesn't have superspeed. What he has is great fighting reflexes and good timing, which is basically what makes fighters "look" fast. Is it superhuman? I don't think so. But it sure as hell is faster than anything Wolverine ever showed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No it's not Jackman vs. Hemsworth. It's movie Wolverine vs. movie Thor. Wolverine gets hit all the time. Hulk never hit Thor unless it was via cheapshot or when Thor was off his feet. And Kurse was pretty darn skilled himself, fast enough to swat Mjolnir away even when his back was turned. You don't need super speed to be a fast fighter. Mayweather doesn't have super speed, but he sure as hell is a fast fighter.Point is, Thor has been shown multiple times able to duck and dodge around hits. Only an idiot would claim otherwise. We've mentioned and posted lots of feats. Not our fault that you refuse to acknowledge them.
Wolverine on the other hand, almost always gets hit.
No, the fact that the characters are portrayed by humans and not enhanced by CGI to show speed is COMPLETELY relevant.
Thor does get hit.
Lets pretend Thor doesn't get hit, that is because of skill, not because he has superhuman speed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Only an idiot would claim otherwise.
BTW, FYI, this doesn't work.
Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe someone can point out this superhuman punching/fighting Thor has, cos to me it looks like Thor is punching as fast as Hemsworth can punch; he's just a regular buff man.
Your telling me 1:55 is a normal human dodging feat? Please.
Show me Wolverine react like that, with that kind of flexibility.
Originally posted by Robtard
His combat speed is just as fast and Hemsworth can move his arms, cos except when the hammer is swinging by the strap, no SFX is used.Thor get hits.
CGI was used to make Ryan Reynolds seem a lot faster his blades. That's the difference. When we see Thor, it's just Hemsworth punching
Will you therefore say that the average joe is as fast a fighter as Mayweather or Silva?
Thor doesn't visibly use super speed because the fights need to be interesting, and to be interesting they must be seen.
I mean, Thor's no Superman, but he could still deflect the lasers of the Destroyer with his hammer for example. He's at least as fast as Wolverine. Probably faster. Also strong enough to knock him out with one punch.
Onscreen fighting feats in the speed department?
If we use their best, I'm pretty sure Wolverine wins that contest.
But, Thor is far more durable than Wolverine. Why is this even a thread?
Edit - Wait...I see it, now: Thor is supposedly cuttable by Wolverine's claws, right?
Thor was gimped of his hammer. Blegh.
Originally posted by Robtard
Obviously not. Mayweather and Silva aren't superhuman either, they're upper-human in terms of punching speed.How does this relate to Hemsworth?
Point is, Thor doesn't need superspeed just to be faster than Wolverine. Both their speeds are still within human range, except Thor has a fighter's speed whereas Wolverine just seems to try and tank hits all the time.
Originally posted by dadudemonI haven't seen an XMEN movie in thousands of years. I recall blocking some spikes from a mutant, but what else has he done?
Onscreen fighting feats in the speed department?If we use their best, I'm pretty sure Wolverine wins that contest.
But, Thor is far more durable than Wolverine. Why is this even a thread?
Edit - Wait...I see it, now: Thor is supposedly cuttable by Wolverine's claws, right?
Thor was gimped of his hammer. Blegh.
To be honest I don't buy that Wolverine's claws could cut cleanly through Thor.