Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he can't. He is a joke who could get some feats once per five years.
Apocalypse is pretty impressive for what he is, but he's not beating Surfer for the majority.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one embarrassing showing for Apoc and that's the infamous "table incident". You got to keep in mind that there's been more than a few times when he was either weakened or depowered when he was beaten.
A full power he's taken on Loki (causing him to retreat), stalemated the High Evolutionary, sonned Exodus (who was giving Sersi a run for her money), etc...
Originally posted by zopzop
Not for anything Abhi, but this isn't true.Apocalypse is pretty impressive for what he is, but he's not beating Surfer for the majority.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one embarrassing showing for Apoc and that's the infamous "table incident". You got to keep in mind that there's been more than a few times when he was either weakened or depowered when he was beaten.
A full power he's taken on Loki (causing him to retreat), stalemated the High Evolutionary, sonned Exodus (who was giving Sersi a run for her money), etc...
Loki retreated because he didn't want to fight any more, High Evolutionary was a jobber in his own crossover. He didn't fight Bloodties Exodus which was a very high showing for him and not his average.
Basically he has very few showings which could make him a herald in his 25 year history, a lot of very meh showings and what not. If we go cherry picking like that, Surfer/Superman/Thor would be skyfathers.
Originally posted by brownqkPhysical strength is no question based off what we seen. Durability is probably debatable. It seems as if many here value current showings astronomically more than the history of showings (Thanos for example). If that is the case then Apoc is above Surfer in physicality.
Even if we accept that for the sake of argument, Surfer's body of work is much larger and more impressive than Apoc....
Originally posted by h1a8
Recent showings have Apoc much stronger and more durable than Surfer.
Really? I mean, Apoc has been getting some love from Xforce and Uncanny Avengers over the past few years, but I'm pretty sure there hasn't been anything showing him more durable than SS.
I mean, he's done well against Viking Thor and Stryfe, but those are his only actual showings in the past 8 years (one of which is a potential future Apoc). Everything else is just implied feats around people related to him (Archangel, Genesis, the twins etc). I mean sure he has had impressive feats in the past (Ikaris, Loki, HE) but I doubt anyone would have claimed he would beat Surfer based off those alone, and yet since then it's only been Thor and Stryfe who he's fought.
Considering Surfer's ridiculous backlog of feats, I very much don't see anything Apoc has done to make him = Surfer in those regards.
Sure he fought Young Thor well, but back then Thor is a) an axe crazy bruiser with no subtlety or tactics and b) doesn't have Mjolnir. The lack of Mjolnir in particular is a huge difference, as we saw current Thor pretty much stomp Uriel into the ground (well, Sun at least). Sure Uriel isn't exactly Apocalypse, but based on the X-force arc we see that the heirs are at least comparable to Apoc (Archangel became massively amped compared to what he was previously once he became the next Apoc).
Also on the note of his armour, I swear for a long time it's been said to be celestial tech but adapted to his shape shifting and then later the TO virus that Cable brought back in time with him. It's just the fact that it's been focused on a bit more than usual during XF/UA.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Surfer has taken much more punishment and kept coming. Why is it so hard for you to understand that Young Thor was much less strong and durable than current Thor. It has no bearing on Surfer, at all.
How is so hard for you to understand that now Apocalypse could do it with two headbutts against Norrin to win the fight.
Originally posted by Xplosive
How is so hard for you to understand that now Apocalypse could do it with two headbutts against Norrin to win the fight.
Apoc fans are reminiscent of the galactic-winds Storm fans, 'cept slightly less loopy.
There's absolutely nothing Apocalypse can do to harm Surfer. Nothing.
Surfer trumps Apoc in every respect and on-top of having just far far far greater raw power too, he has on-panel reaction times and soul manipulation powers that make Apocalypse utterly pointless in this fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? What has he done in two headbutts that he could KO someone as durable as Surfer? You are just repeating the same thing over and over without any kind of feats.
One headbutt almost killing Thor without Apocalypse even trying hardest.
Two headbutts against Radd should be enough.