Darkseid vs Zeus

Originally posted by -K-M-
He didn't dominate him, he got the advantage briefly and the Guardians quickly surrendered and gave Raker up as a prisoner. Fight consisted of Raker putting a construct around DS's head and caused an explosion.... they both crash to the ground and all that's damage is DS's yellow suit (no damage to his body just clothes). Raker grabs the shovel and that's it. OVER-EXAGERATION by your part. So again no damage, non-hit means your arguing oversomething that never happened. Canon.

Exactly! fight smart not just be a brute which goes with the quote you posted. He has other abilities other then strength. Also where's the interview link? But he had no physical answer against H/P Doomsday, but then again neither did Superman or the entire Green Lantern Corps and countless others. Then there are other versions of Doomsday DS would destroy physically but not H/P. Which isn't that shameful. Also to note DD got the advantage when he slashed DS from behind. Huge miscalculation on DS, which he would not repeat.....or I would hope not.

Of course, Superman beat him fair and square in Apokolips Now #1, but one on one DS has a better record against Superman then vice versa. Again your just going by the low showings.

Not sure why you keep saying canon, as never once did I argue anything wasn't. In fact I said all what we were talking about WAS canon. Read the words and understand them.

In a fight with his own abilities he is screwed. He needs prep which is counter measures. That's the point unlike Superman who all out can beat him physically.

Ds walked away from a fight against a pre HP Doomsday, that's even worse by your own reasoning since you'd say he would stomp him. Gutless according to you.

Concession accepted. Glorious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cutting off his omega effect and leaving him on his backside is humiliating. The Guardians then surrendered so they saved Darkseid from being humiliated any further. Darkseid being dominated by some new addition to the lantern Raker isn't good.

In a fight with his own abilities he is screwed. He needs prep which is counter measures. That's the point unlike Superman who all out can beat him physically.

Ds walked away from a fight against a pre HP Doomsday, that's even worse by your own reasoning since you'd say he would stomp him. Gutless according to you.

Concession accepted. Glorious.

Hence the advantage, which was very short lived. Also again your putting your own spin on things that never happened in the comic. He also has dominated Raker too, the shovel fight was literally only a minute and he suffered no physical damage. Canon

Not really his omega beams have other abilities he could have used plus his matter/time manipulation.

Why is it worse by my own reasoning? He didn't leave because of doomsday. They didn't even fight and as the comics says left due to the planet atmosphere was becoming to toxic and the planet would be useless. You try way to hard.

Concession to what? Seriously do you have your own little discussions in your head or something?

Also where's the interview already. You copy and pasted apparently from it, so you have access to it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Hence the advantage, which was very short lived. Also again your putting your own spin on things that never happened in the comic. He also has dominated Raker too, the shovel fight was literally only a minute and he suffered no physical damage. Canon

Not really his omega beams have other abilities he could have used plus his matter/time manipulation.

Why is it worse by my own reasoning? He didn't leave because of doomsday. They didn't even fight and as the comics says left due to the planet atmosphere was becoming to toxic and the planet would be useless. You try way to hard.

Concession to what? Seriously do you have your own little discussions in your head or something?

Also where's the interview already. You copy and pasted apparently from it, so you have access to it.

He backed down. He was ashamed. Canon. Doomsday didn't leave and survived.

I don't care for your tone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He dominated Raker prior to before he had any knowledge about Darkseid's power and since then he made changes which obviously worked. Left on his backside to the end of a shovel is canon.

He backed down. He was ashamed. Canon. Doomsday didn't leave and survived.

I don't care for your tone.

Sure and again Raker did no physical damage other then point a shovel at him. Canon.

Doomsday can't die. While DS could, he was told they had to leave so he did. No reason for them to stay which was stated as they wanted the plant and the planet was about to die. Now he was ashamed? Love your little spins on what actually happens.

Ok? So if you don't have the interview just say so.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure and again Raker did no physical damage other then point a shovel at him. Canon.

Doomsday can't die. While DS could, he was told they had to leave so he did. No reason for them to stay which was stated as they wanted the plant and the planet was about to die. Now he was ashamed? Love your little spins on what actually happens.

Ok? So if you don't have the interview just say so.

Doomsday can die he just comes back unless you take him to the end of time. He told Steppenwulf to tell no one so he was ashamed just like when Superman closed his eyelids.

I do have it. I can post the bit you're after.

DAN JURGENS: Well, I say it’s more like that. You know, if you go back to the Kirby Darkseid stories, Darkseid was never set up to be the all-powerful type of being. To me, Highfather was always set up to be the more powerful, omnipotent sort of being than was Darkseid. Darkseid had power in that he was able to control people around him. People were terrified of him.

I always say with guys like Darkseid and Lex Luthor . . . how come everybody fears these guys? They never do anything bad. You know, you go back to the Kirby stories and everybody talked about how bad Darkseid was and see that, yeah, Apokolips was always a terrible place to live, but . . . gee, I don’t know if we ever saw him do terrible, evil, awful things on a frequent basis. And so I think Darkseid, because he wields the tremendous army and power of Apokolips . . . he is powerful, in a galactic sense.

RC: So in your opinion, in terms of sheer power, it’s clear that Superman and Doomsday are both above Darkseid?

DAN JURGENS: Right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see his suit damaged so quit lying. He had Darkseid in a submissive position when the combat ended.

Doomsday can die he just comes back unless you take him to the end of time. He told Steppenwulf to tell no one so he was ashamed just like when Superman closed his eyelids.

I do have it. I can post the bit you're after.

DAN JURGENS: Well, I say it’s more like that. You know, if you go back to the Kirby Darkseid stories, Darkseid was never set up to be the all-powerful type of being. To me, Highfather was always set up to be the more powerful, omnipotent sort of being than was Darkseid. Darkseid had power in that he was able to control people around him. People were terrified of him.

I always say with guys like Darkseid and Lex Luthor . . . how come everybody fears these guys? They never do anything bad. You know, you go back to the Kirby stories and everybody talked about how bad Darkseid was and see that, yeah, Apokolips was always a terrible place to live, but . . . gee, I don’t know if we ever saw him do terrible, evil, awful things on a frequent basis. And so I think Darkseid, because he wields the tremendous army and power of Apokolips . . . he is powerful, in a galactic sense.

RC: So in your opinion, in terms of sheer power, it’s clear that Superman and Doomsday are both above Darkseid?

DAN JURGENS: Right.

Clothes being damaged is not the same as causing damage to the body. Wow. 😬 You mean pointing a wooden shovel at him? zomg....look out DS!!!!

If he dies and come back that means he doesn't die. It's like Mr.Immortal who dies, but doesn't really. Same principle. DS doesn't have that luxury unless the Source deems the universe needs him (Spectre fight). As per the comic itself it was said he left due to the planet dying and there was no reason to stay and it wasn't because of Doomsday. They didn't even fight.

Just post the whole link, I just would like to read it all

Kind of confused by his comment anyways as DS actually beat Highfather a few times, so not sure where he even is getting that. Then again as he says it is his opinion, which doesn't mean much.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Clothes being damaged is not the same as causing damage to the body. Wow. 😬 You mean pointing a wooden shovel at him? zomg....look out DS!!!!

If he dies and come back that means he doesn't die. It's like Mr.Immortal who dies, but doesn't really. Same principle. DS doesn't have that luxury unless the Source deems the universe needs him (Spectre fight). As per the comic itself it was said he left due to the planet dying and there was no reason to stay and it wasn't because of Doomsday. They didn't even fight.

Just post the whole link, I just would like to read it all

Kind of confused by his comment anyways as DS actually beat Highfather a few times, so not sure where he even is getting that. Then again as he says it is his opinion, which doesn't mean much.

That means he dies and is resurrected. Do you even know what death means. 😂

He left so he backed down from Doomsday and felt the need to swear Steppenwulf to secrecy. If he didn't feel shame he wouldn't care to say so,

According to him Darkseid isn't powerful and this explains why Doomsday crushed him. He's out of his depth. Darkseid is a great manipulator but according to him not powerful. I agree 100 percent.

Originally posted by guy222
No more oddballing in thread starter topic 😄

Originally posted by quanchi112
He already had him on his backside. Pointless to show him hold a weapon which can't hurt him. 🙂

That means he dies and is resurrected. Do you even know what death means. 😂

He left so he backed down from Doomsday and felt the need to swear Steppenwulf to secrecy. If he didn't feel shame he wouldn't care to say so,

According to him Darkseid isn't powerful and this explains why Doomsday crushed him. He's out of his depth. Darkseid is a great manipulator but according to him not powerful. I agree 100 percent.

Except the shovel didn't hurt him nor did the explosion cause any physical trauma to him other then make him crash on the ground. Moot point

Oh wow yes please tell me what death is as I have no clue what it is 🙄 Mr.immortal dies and is resurrected too (same for resurrection man). same principle. So even if Doomsday died on the toxic planet he would come back immune while DS wouldn't be able to do that. So as the comic said he left because the planet was turning toxic and everyone was at risk not because of Doomsday, which they didn't even fight in the comic. There's no shame for leaving a planet that could kill you, he didn't even know how powerful Doomsday was. Some basic stuff here 😬

I'm shocked that you agreed with him giving how much your lowballing DS here 🙄 Doomsday crushed everyone in the story, no one was safe. That's why H/P Doomsday is the most powerful incarnation and has never been at those levels since maybe Gog Wars and that was short lived. Also just like Jurkin's opinion you're doesn't mean much either. Not powerful? Lulz.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except the shovel didn't hurt him nor did the explosion cause any physical trauma to him other then make him crash on the ground. Moot point

Oh wow yes please tell me what death is as I have no clue what it is 🙄 Mr.immortal dies and is resurrected too (same for resurrection man). same principle. So even if Doomsday died on the toxic planet he would come back immune while DS wouldn't be able to do that. So as the comic said he left because the planet was turning toxic and everyone was at risk not because of Doomsday, which they didn't even fight in the comic. There's no shame for leaving a planet that could kill you, he didn't even know how powerful Doomsday was. Some basic stuff here 😬

I'm shocked that you agreed with him giving how much your lowballing DS here 🙄 Doomsday crushed everyone in the story, no one was safe. That's why H/P Doomsday is the most powerful incarnation and has never been at those levels since maybe Gog Wars and that was short lived. Also just like Jurkin's opinion you're doesn't mean much either.

So he can die and does die. Progress. Darkseid felt shame. That's why he said so. Your personal excuses for him don't change his words or the clear intent on him feeling shame for leaving.

Jurgens opinion is relevant to HP. He crushed Darkseid because he isn't that powerful and Superman because of his mindset wasn't there. I agree completely.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His suit was definitely damaged. The fight ended prior to but again pointless as a writer to have a weapon which can't hurt him.

So he can die and does die. Progress. Darkseid felt shame. That's why he said so. Your personal excuses for him don't change his words or the clear intent on him feeling shame for leaving.

Jurgens opinion is relevant to HP. He crushed Darkseid because he isn't that powerful and Superman because of his mindset wasn't there. I agree completely.

Of course it was damaged, but his body was not. Clothes is different from skin. Clothes is made from fabric or metal in the case of armor. Skin is made from connective tissue and can bleed when it gets cut....clothing does not. DS clothing was damaged, but his body was not.

and comes back like Mr.Immortal and Ressurection Man....DS does not have that ability unless the Source brings him back personally (Spectre fight). No he did not say that at all, but it DID say he was leaving the planet because it was toxic and it was a danger to him and his forces. He also never even fought DS and said it was pity they didn't fight...again...in the comic.

Sure is, and I have no problem with H/P beating him. It happened, but Superman was amped and still couldn't put him down physically which you said Jurgens the writer of the story could do. The writer contradicted his very own statements. Also where's the link? Not sure why it's so hard for you to post it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Of course it was damaged, but his body was not. Clothes is different from skin. Clothes is made from fabric or metal in the case of armor. Skin is made from connective tissue and can bleed when it gets cut....clothing does not. DS clothing was damaged, but his body was not.

and comes back like Mr.Immortal and Ressurection Man....DS does not have that ability unless the Source brings him back personally (Spectre fight). No he did not say that at all, but it DID say he was leaving the planet because it was toxic and it was a danger to him and his forces. He also never even fought DS and said it was pity they didn't fight...again...in the comic.

Sure is, and I have no problem with H/P beating him. It happened, but Superman was amped and still couldn't put him down physically which you said Jurgens the writer of the story could do. The writer contradicted his very own statements. Also where's the link? Not sure why it's so hard for you to post it.

He told Steppenwulf not to say anything due to the shame of leaving. Min the same comic. He felt shame so you speaking isn't necessary as we see Darkseid's own opinion on the matter. 🙂

Superman didn't have the proper mindset. He had the power not the. I diet so he didn't contradict anything. 🙂

Ds was humiliated by Doomsday.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying he wasn't damaged when we see his suit wrecked isn't being honest. You make excuses left and right.

He told Steppenwulf not to say anything due to the shame of leaving. Min the same comic. He felt shame so you speaking isn't necessary as we see Darkseid's own opinion on the matter. 🙂

Superman didn't have the proper mindset. He had the power not the. I diet so he didn't contradict anything. 🙂

Ds was humiliated by Doomsday.

How is it not being honest? He wasn't bleeding, wasn't stammering or wasn't screaming in pain. Damage to clothes, but no visible damage to the body.

Never said that due to shame of leaving, and never said it was because of Doomsday either. Also correct me if im wrong but didn't Doomsday escape the planet before it went critical didn't he?

What mindset didn't he have? He was trying to win and he was losing and he was also amped. Faulty logic is faulty.

He was.

This is the second time I've had to address this thread. I can guarantee that I will temp ban people before closing this thread. The days of mods closing threads due to trolling, flaming, lowballing, etc. are over.

So please, everybody stay on topic and stop the nonsense. If you can't debate without lowballing, then you've conceded the loss.

Originally posted by -K-M-
How is it not being honest? He wasn't bleeding, wasn't stammering or wasn't screaming in pain. Damage to clothes, but no visible damage to the body.

Never said that due to shame of leaving, and never said it was because of Doomsday either. Also correct me if im wrong but didn't Doomsday escape the planet before it went critical didn't he?

What mindset didn't he have? He was trying to win and he was losing and he was also amped. Faulty logic is faulty.

He was.

You want to just ignore all common sense and logic and play make believe fine. He was embarrassed. End of story.

The warrior mindset. He has always been limited by his upbringing in Kansas. With his power and the right mindset as in raised on Apokolips he would have defeated Doomsday with 95 percent of his power according to The writer. Darkseid has no chance according to the writer.

Originally posted by Badabing
If you can't debate without lowballing, then you've conceded the loss.

Uh oh Quan

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying he wasn't damaged when we see his suit wrecked isn't being honest. You make excuses left and right.

He told Steppenwulf not to say anything due to the shame of leaving. Min the same comic. He felt shame so you speaking isn't necessary as we see Darkseid's own opinion on the matter. 🙂

Superman didn't have the proper mindset. He had the power not the. I diet so he didn't contradict anything. 🙂

Ds was humiliated by Doomsday.

Originally posted by deathslash
By that sort of logic, the hulk is hurt every single time that his clothes are damaged. So getting thrown to the ground by a senor member of the green lantern corpse when he's in possesion of two power rings and you're not really even fighting back is a bad showing now. The level of mental gymnastics that you're doing is truly is amusing. HP DD>>>>>>>>>> Ares

Originally posted by -K-M-
Uh oh Quan

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