Originally posted by h1a8
DD is vastly faster (wins outright with that)
DD has healing faster (wins outright with that)
DD has cutting weapons (wins outright with that)There is no way Kurse can win.
Kurse is immune to anything DD has in his arsenal
Lmao like they are going to do anything
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
What the Iron thing?That is a minor thing, just look at how DD steamrolled the JLA with one hand behind his back and compare that with Thor, BRB and the power pack defeating Kurse.
The writers intention on the power output of this two villains is clear.
You're right. It's been made perfectly clear by those one-time occurrences that
Police > Thanos
Stairs > Darkseid and Professor X combined
Deer > Wolverine
Cement > Hulk and Juggernaut
Hostess Fruit Pies > everyone and everything
The Power Pack had them pooling Beta and Thor's hammer powers into one attack to strike Kurse down. And that attack drained Mjolnir and Stormbreaker of all their power. Beyonder actually had to restore the power to the hammers afterwards.
On the other hand, he absolutely kicked the shit out of Thor when Thor had the belt of strength.
The JLA pretty much just attacked Doomsday individually. I suspect if Doomsday and Kurse switched roles and the teams fought the exact same way, the same thing would have happened (except the first Power Pack fight).
And all the Power Pack did was hit him with iron repeatedly. It wasn't a battle, it was a car, and then dropped a couple girders on him, he ran into girders, they dropped him through an iron building, and then they dropped an iron building on him.
And that's like the only time his iron weakness was even brought up. And that was when his strength was only double Thor's.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElAh, you're talking about DOS Doomsday as if he'd stomp Kurse then... hmmm.
What is the "one time occurrence" ins this case?Kurse getting defeated by the PP, THOR and BRB?
oh and lol at The JLA attacking DD individuallyn he tanked a combined all out attack that pretty much drain them
Anyway, Booster Gold, Superman's HV, Fire, Bloodwynd, and Gay Gardner do not equal an attack that completely drained Stormbreaker and Mjolnir (and Energizer was pretty written up herself there...). Especially when a couple issues later Thor was operating in a weakened capacity at a level enough to kablooey the Midgard Serpent in a planet shaking fight (just thought I'd add that). Among other not draining Mjolnir things.
Not that this adds too much either, but Kurse pretty effortlessly snapped Malekith's neck too. Who as we've seen recently is a pretty tough cookie.
EDIT: It was also a cheapshot they hit Kurse with too.
Originally posted by Stoic
You were stuck on the stronger part earlier, but I'm trying to understand why you held that stance? Superman is not stronger than Hyperion, Blue Marvel, and several other characters of that weight class. The reason for me saying this is due to past feats, and that they have fought guys on that level, and held their own. Kurse is stronger than Superman based on this premise. He is also stronger than Doomsday simply due to Thor being close in strength to Superman alone. I really don't care about the earth weight argument because it's really not quantifiable since there are times that all of these characters struggle with far less weight than that.You have to either forget about the earth weight argument, or settle for all of the characters in that weight class having the ability to replicate said feat if written that way. As far as we all saw, Thor was able to contend with Superman and even stated that he had his measure. If you are not willing to settle for the idea that all characters in that weight class has the ability to lift as much as Superman, then you simply can not give Doomsday the feat, because he has never been seen lifting that amount of weight.
The Hulk has done so in the past, and Thor has matched him or nearly matched him in brute strength. the same goes for Doomday. The difference between Doomsday and the Hulk is that the Hulk could eventually become as strong or stronger than Kurse due to his power set, Doomsday does not, and will not continue to grow stronger before he is killed. This is where Kurse will be the one pushing him around, and since Doomsday just keeps coming for more, he will simply be destroyed. End of fight. Kurse will win.
Your question blatantly ignores the Hulk's power set. You need only remember the dynamic strength potential, and it will tell you that the Hulk is never on the same level, but can transcend the Herald tier in terms of strength. He's done it before, and will likely do it again in the future. The Hulk should really stay out of this discussion, because he's another story entirely. Should I bring up more examples of how the Hulk has always been written? Take the Secret Wars feat of him holding up a mountain, and look at who was also there with him. He was written to be the muscle, and although the feat isn't much today due to the muscle race, he is still set up to be the strongest. Then Again the same applies to Superman. Look at the dramatic strength increase that he underwent from the time of DOS up until the Flashpoint era. it does not change the fact that he was, and still is the flagship that all other characters are compared to. The same applies for the Hulk.
Originally posted by Galan007
[b]Section IV: H/P ("Hunter/Prey"😉 DoomsdayIt turns out that Superman was substantially amped when he battled H/P Doomsday--before he even acquired a Mother Box...
A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
http://imgur.com/afwas1f
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"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
__________Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...
"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!":
http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
__________Hamilton explains Superman's amp...
"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."
Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"
Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr
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__________His power increase was ambiguously alluded to during the H/P arc itself...
I'm better than before, too! Stronger.":
http://imgur.com/8cCM1Ii
__________However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...
"After his recovery, [Superman] was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
http://imgur.com/SuRu2czIn a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.
That is a huge testament to how f*cking powerful Doomsday was during that arc. FAR more powerful than I'd previously thought, tbh. [/B]
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ah, you're talking about DOS Doomsday as if he'd stomp Kurse then... hmmm.Anyway, Booster Gold, Superman's HV, Fire, Bloodwynd, and Gay Gardner do not equal an attack that completely drained Stormbreaker and Mjolnir (and Energizer was pretty written up herself there...). Especially when a couple issues later Thor was operating in a weakened capacity at a level enough to kablooey the Midgard Serpent in a planet shaking fight (just thought I'd add that). Among other not draining Mjolnir things.
Not that this adds too much either, but Kurse pretty effortlessly snapped Malekith's neck too. Who as we've seen recently is a pretty tough cookie.
EDIT: It was also a cheapshot they hit Kurse with too.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse05486.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse06.jpg
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpg
mmm
Originally posted by tkitna
I don't see how that's going to help him in the first round when Kurse bashes his skull in.
For that to happen, shouldn't he first being able to KO Thor from his last three fights with Thor? Or is Thor more durable than Doomsday too?
Originally posted by h1a8No, he didn't. He wrote the process of resurrection to be unstoppable unless they took him to the end of time. Beating down a psychologically scared Superman and a frightened Darkseid isn't the end of the world type stuff.
This is HP DD. I don't know what you are talking about. Jurgens wrote DD to be unbeatable except by the end of time.
Anyway. DD has everything Kurse has plus more. Thus he wins.
Speed and Healing Factor alone is a huge advantage to overcome. Kurse wouldn't make any progress. DD would just heal back to new (Assuming Kurse even touches DD).
Originally posted by abhilegend
Later Thor fought Kurse solo with Kurse unable to put him down after like a dozen punches.http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse05486.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpgmmm
For that to happen, shouldn't he first being able to KO Thor from his last three fights with Thor? Or is Thor more durable than Doomsday too?
So, did Thor stop holding back like most top tiers?
Dont know why using Kurse fighting Thor and Thor enduring his attacks is a low showing on Kurse. If anything, it tells use how powerful Thor is when it comes to damage soak. Example. A pissed off Hulk, one of the strongest Heralds, with a goal of knocking Thor out, if not, killing him, could NOT put Thor down. Thor endure an Onslaught from him, to the point that his face was black and blue, but he still stood up, without falling.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/6.jpg
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http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/17.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/18.jpg
This doesn't include his other showings from Odin to Celestials.
