Uncuffed Wonder Woman vs Superman

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, Superman is more powerful then -regular- Diana. He's more durable, probably has a strength edge and has other powers like heat vision. No one is really doubting that, at least I wasn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Interesting to see what Blue thinks of this. Wonder Woman couldn't even make Darkseid budge from behind with the lasso around his neck who then overpowered her with one hand.

"We need you. We need Superman."

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073454/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073456/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

mmm

That still doesn't mean he wins in a fight as some of their latest interactions have shown, especially against an unrestrained Wonder Woman.

http://i.imgur.com/fzOwqvJ.jpg

vs

http://i.imgur.com/pK2zF39.jpg

But let me guess, that doesn't count, right?

I misremembered him being on the ground but First Born was injured, already bleeding AND had beaten both Orion/Wonder Woman when Ares knocked him over and drew blood:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16502902/4566932.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16502904/1470551.jpg.html

And he didn't palm the punch or anything, more like misdirected it with superior skill. Not sure how that makes him look bad.

Yes, it's ME who's the worst, lol.

That's why every person on two different boards things you're an irrational and dumb Superman fanboy, including the irrational and dumb Superman fanboys. 😂

So blatant lowballing was the only purpose?

Lions making a -young- first born bleed have no relevance here.

Do you even see how twisted your logic is? Diana is as strong as some lions? How the f*ck does that even make any sense to you? It has been made abundantly clear that First Born is crazy strong and has ridiculous damage soak. And yes, him being young does make a difference as he's apparently bullet proof now:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16502903/4755003.jpg.html

Azzarello is the only one who has made her remove the bracers.

That power up doesn't disappear because Soule rights a Wonder Woman that makes you uncomfortable. What kind of logic is that?

Wonder Woman is slightly below Superman in strength to a varying degree even under Soule I'd wager. That doesn't change who wins the fight and the fact that this isn't regular Wonder Woman.

I don't know why she wouldn't as I've seen her swinging her sword around pretty often.

She doesn't need to kill Clark, just win. He got out of it, yes, I'm not saying it's a one-shot win or something, it never has been. It's just something that would help immensely, especially if used right.

I think it's been made pretty clear recently that even regular Wonder Woman beating Superman in hand to hand is very much possible due to the sheer skill gap. [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Probably"? Hahaha. See the interaction between Darkseid/WW and Darkseid/Superman to see the strength difference. Here let me help you.

1. I already pointed out Superman was stronger.

2. Nothing in those scans show any large physical disparity. Wonder Woman doesn't even physically wrestle with Darkseid at any point there.

You need to take a step back and collect your thoughts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where the **** did Superman was compared to an uncuffed WW? If you're really comparing Azzarello's version to Superman, he would be even more durable than her bracers.

http://i.imgur.com/fzOwqvJ.jpg

vs

http://i.imgur.com/pK2zF39.jpg

But let me guess, that doesn't count, right?

I doubt that.

Why wouldn't it count? And Superman CAUGHT the bullet so I'm not really sure what that proves?

Not that Superman has Eros' guns lying around or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was bloodied a little by Diana, stop exaggerating shit. Orion didn't draw any blood at all and he took his attacks better than Diana too.

Seriously?

Definitely, if you can't even look at the scans. Yeah, because I totally care about what some people on internet think about me. You got me bro!

How am I exaggerating? I posted the scans for you, First Born was bleeding and injured already when Ares attacked him. And had fought two DCnU elites back to back. Using his encounter with Ares to paint him negatively in light of that is just misinformation and lowballing.

No, I'm joking. 😐 Look at the movement, he parried the punch to the side, he didn't palm it. That looks less like strength and more like skill. I could be wrong but that's definitely how I view it. Especially based on their respective strength levels.

You definitely seem to based on how often you resort to discussing people's worth in internet standing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
More like showing those stories are incompatible with larger DCU. Cutlery doing it?

Not cutlery proof it seems.

Now you get it. Of course it does. No other writer has even implied she gets a power up when removing her bracers.

Why wouldn't they be incompatable? It working in a more toned down Universe has no relevance on relative power as the Orion crossover and Superman/Wonder Woman have indicated.

Now you're trying to invalidate the entire Wonder Woman comic from usage? 😬 Lol, damn, you really are desperate. 😂

Stop lowballing, Apollo and Strife were the one cutting him to pieces. Again, this is shit that should be noted as we know First Born is apparently bullet proof and his damage soak is still crazy as seen recently in his fight with Apollo.

What kind of logic is that? Has any other writer shown her removing the bracers and NOT getting a boost? If not, in the DCnU as established right now, removing the bracers gives her a large power boost.

Your thinking doesn't even make sense here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The good thing is this that this isn't Soule WW, its Azzarello wonder woman and Soule isn't the only one who is writing Superman. Under Diggle Superman pretty much oneshotted her.

Ares has taught her to only draw sword to kill, its established as a fact. So no matter if its totally useless against him in the past, its still useful? Hahaha, WTF?

When she couldn't even beat Faora even after donning a special suit? Wonder Woman getting a good showing doesn't eradicate last three years of showings especially seeing how Superman is going to kill Doomsday again just a few months later from now. Remember what doomsday did to Diana?

What are you even talking about? Uncuffed Wonder Woman doesn't mean we can't use other evidence to support her strength level. When did you became a moderator that you get to dictate what is and is not usable as evidence?

It'd be one thing if these two writers were writing a Wonder Woman from a different era or something but these guys are handling the same Wonder Woman at the same time.

You just posted scans of Wonder Woman using her sword to injure instead of kill.

What does "special suit" mean? It converts physical damage into energy but it does nothing else as far as I know. She couldn't beat Faora but she wasn't at full power and in the same comic a weakened Zod f*cked Superman up. Using that comic as a reference, she'd still beat up Superman in hand to hand.

Now we're talking about what Superman may or may not do months later?

Yeah, I think this is going to be my last post on the matter as I don't see this conversation going any other way except you getting progressively more irrational in an attempt to defend Superman. You get so riled up at the idea of Wonder Woman beating Superman. 😂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. I already pointed out Superman was stronger.

2. Nothing in those scans show any large physical disparity. Wonder Woman doesn't even physically wrestle with Darkseid at any point there.

Yeah, I think this is going to be my last post on the matter as I don't see this conversation going any other way except you getting progressively more irrational in an attempt to defend Superman. You get so riled up at the idea of Wonder Woman beating Superman. 😂

🙂

I missed that panel, my bad. Darkseid indeed comes off stronger then Diana there.

Although in the same comic we later see him tossing Superman with one arm as well so I don't think it actually proves any superiority on his part:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073456/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

The suits converted physical damage to power, it didn't absorb and negate physical damage. How does that make sense as we see them getting beat up by Zod/Faora?

Actually, I re-read the comic and Superman seems to have caught Eros' bullet in his palm. Why would you think the scene implies that he was durable enough to withstand it when he gets shot and she rushes over to him worried that he got hit as he falls over? Especially since the bullet is not dented or anything, implying it never struck.

The rest is more of the same so just copy/paste my other answers.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I missed that panel, my bad. Darkseid indeed comes off stronger then Diana there.

Although in the same comic we later see him tossing Superman with one arm as well so I don't think it actually proves any superiority on his part:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073456/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

The suits converted physical damage to power, it didn't absorb and negate physical damage. How does that make sense as we see them getting beat up by Zod/Faora?

Actually, I re-read the comic and Superman seems to have caught Eros' bullet in his palm. Why would you think the scene implies that he was durable enough to withstand it when he gets shot and she rushes over to him worried that he got hit as he falls over? Especially since the bullet is not dented or anything, implying it never struck.

The rest is more of the same so just copy/paste my other answers.

i.imgur.com/md0jiTo.jpg

Not to mention directly rescuing her from Ocean Master and stated as more powerful than her again.

i.imgur.com/Lts4c3N.jpg

The suits disappeared after the blast. They were only taking damage on their face. How does someone converts damage into energy? The suits were absorbing the kinetic energy of the punches.

It was caught head first, when Diana tried to block it, it breached the bracers. Superman was caught off guard with no superspeed mentioned to catch the bullet. If he had tried to catch it, it would've pierced his hand as magical bullets do to him. See pandora's bullets.

😂

Anyway, Superman punching H'el to his knees shits on anything uncuffed Diana has done.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also compare and contrast.

Even in the first scene Wonder Woman flung Artemis aside.

And in the second fight, she doesn't overpower Artemis anywhere. Instead she beats her with, you got it, her skills.

That isn't bigger than the relative performances of a serious Superman and Supergirl against H'el.

[Supergirl]

[Superman]

Under the same writer Supergirl and Wonder Woman were direct peers and when she punched H'el, Kara was stronger than ever.

Supergirl and WW were pretty much equals in strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tossing superman with one hand? You really can't look at pictures,can you? That's Hal rescuing Superman. Superman rescued her and it was him who was stated to making Darkseid at bay singlehandedly. He looked vastly stronger than her, anybody arguing otherwise is stupid.

i.imgur.com/md0jiTo.jpg

Not to mention directly rescuing her from Ocean Master and stated as more powerful than her again.

i.imgur.com/Lts4c3N.jpg

The suits disappeared after the blast. They were only taking damage on their face. How does someone converts damage into energy? The suits were absorbing the kinetic energy of the punches.

He was ragdolling Superman with one hand, how is that any better then what Darkseid was doing to Diana?

No one is denying that it was implied Superman was the big gun. You however aren't talking about implications and are trying to analyze direct comparisons.

Again, Superman IS more powerful then -regular- Diana. NO ONE is denying that. Christ.

What? We see them being struck against the body and it hurting. I don't know how the magical comic god suits work, but it doesn't negate physical damage either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was caught head first, when Diana tried to block it, it breached the bracers. Superman was caught off guard with no superspeed mentioned to catch the bullet. If he had tried to catch it, it would've pierced his hand as magical bullets do to him. See pandora's bullets.

So unless Superman's super speed is mentioned, we can assume he didn't catch the bullet? How does that even make sense to you?

What? You're saying that Superman didn't catch the bullet but you think he'd have gotten pierced like Pandora's bullets?

😂

You do realize that you originally posted the feat to argue that Superman > Diana's bracers. Yet here you're saying that Eros' bullet would in fact have pierced him as well. 😐 Then what was your point in posting that scene in the first place?

God damn, you can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was ragdolling Superman with one hand, how is that any better then what Darkseid was doing to Diana?

God damn, you can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

I was going to respond to you, abhi, but Rage is doing a good job dismantling your "argument," so it'd be redundant.

Carry on.

I find it hilarious that people think Wonder Woman can take Superman based on like a two showings where it SEEMED like she did better than him against an opponent.

Give it a month or so and he'll back hand her into unconsciousness then the WW crowd can go scurry under the rocks where they came from. 😆

Originally posted by zopzop
I find it hilarious that people think Wonder Woman can take Superman based on like a two showings where it SEEMED like she did better than him against an opponent.
Give it a month or so and he'll back hand her into unconsciousness then the WW crowd can go scurry under the rocks where they came from. 😆

Originally posted by 80sBaby
I was going to respond to you, abhi, but Rage is doing a good job dismantling your "argument," so it'd be redundant.

Carry on.

Originally posted by zopzop
I find it hilarious that people think Wonder Woman can take Superman based on like a two showings where it SEEMED like she did better than him against an opponent.

Give it a month or so and he'll back hand her into unconsciousness then the WW crowd can go scurry under the rocks where they came from. 😆

After which a drained and later revealed kryptonite weakened Superman oneshot killed Dr. Light.

So a tiny portion of Superman's power>>WW?

mmm

You've got to be just trolling at this point.

LOLWUT? How's that trolling? Dr. Light blasts her and then she disappears from the rest of the issue while everyone is shocked at Superman killing Dr. Light. Let me guess, she was just chilling somehwere and Superman was just screaming get away from her for shits and giggles?

I can understand if Doctor light was powerless, but he has powers of his own. Him adding a portion of Superman power to his own doesn't make Superman more powerful than Diana. WTF man.

Originally posted by carver9
I can understand if Doctor light was powerless, but he has powers of his own. Him adding a portion of Superman power to his own doesn't make Superman more powerful than Diana. WTF man.

Again, Doctor Light dropping her with an AMPED attack of his own (we don't even know how much power Superman gave him), isn't a sign of power in Superman favor. Don't know how you came up with that conclusion. Now, if Superman blasted her himself, THEN you'll have a point, but...

Originally posted by carver9
Again, Doctor Light dropping her with an AMPED attack of his own (we don't even know how much power Superman gave him), isn't a sign of power in Superman favor. Don't know how you came up with that conclusion. Now, if Superman blasted her himself, THEN you'll have a point, but...

1. Dr. Light got overloaded by Superman's proximity.

2. He blasts Wonder Woman with that extra power.

3. He returns to normal.

4. Superman weakened, kills him in one attack while he was still absorbing power.

How does that mean he was using his own power when it was Superman's power which overloaded him? Do you know what an overload means? Honestly?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dismantling? Hahaha.
Speaking of which, Dr. Light oneshotted WW by absorbing a tiny portion of Superman's power.

After which a drained and later revealed kryptonite weakened Superman oneshot killed Dr. Light.

So a tiny portion of Superman's power>>WW?

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
LOLWUT? How's that trolling? Dr. Light blasts her and then she disappears from the rest of the issue while everyone is shocked at Superman killing Dr. Light. Let me guess, she was just chilling somehwere and Superman was just screaming get away from her for shits and giggles?

Diana was right back up on the very next page after your last scan. She was engaged in a sword battle against Katana from Justice League of America. Their fight is clearly depicted on the next two pages... You could have chosen from a plethora of other showings, but instead you went on ahead and blatantly lied to reinforce your position.. 🙁

Furthermore I agree with Carver(heaven help me). If she was truly one shotted by Dr. Light, it's too inconclusive to even begin to say things like tiny portion of Supe's power >> WW.. That's being ridiculous.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Let me get this out of the way first. Even as an avid follower of Wondy's New 52 book, I still say she looses uncuffed. Wondy really has done nothing to show that she can beat a serious Clark. IMO at least. With that said.... Abhi, please just stop with your lies.

Diana was right back up on the very next page after your last scan. She was engaged in a sword battle against Katana from Justice League of America. Their fight is clearly depicted on the next two pages... You could have chosen from a plethora of other showings, but instead you went on ahead and blatantly lied to reinforce your position.. 🙁

Furthermore I agree with Carver(heaven help me). If she was truly one shotted by Dr. Light, it's too inconclusive to even begin to say things like tiny portion of Supe's power >> WW.. That's being ridiculous.

What are you talking about? That scene is from Justice League 22, JL vs JLA happened in Justice League of America 6 or something, she wasn't shown in the heroes who were shocked to see superman kill. Couple with the fact that Superman actually took Light away from her, its clear she was at least incapacitated.

Its not inconclusive at all. Light overloaded from the power FROM superman and that was the power he couldn't control. A drained Superman oneshot killing him in itself is a reminder how powerful he is compared to her. Let me see her kill someone with raw power in oneshot who at least incapacitates him while weakened by kryptonite Atomica placed in his eye and the power drain. This "Wonder Woman is close to superman in power cuffed so she must be more powerful than him uncuffed" is pretty stupid.

Can someone point me in the direction where it states Doc Light was overloaded? Did I miss something? It appears he couldn't control his powers.