Batman runs a H2H Marvel guantlet

Originally posted by tross
So those guys have feats that put them on the level of the people on the list

Never said they did; in my post, which was a reply to Silent Master, I was bringing up the point that Bruce has, when holding back and younger/more inexperienced, fought for 28 hours continuously aganst trained killers.

IOW, endurance isn't going to be the deciding factor. Unless you think that they are all so evenly matched with a bloodlusted Bruce that Widow/Punisher/Fury et al can stalemate him for hours?

Cap A, yes. Daredevil, possibly. But the fights with the others are not going to go on for hours on end...

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
everyone else has morals though and won't do everything that they can unlike a bloodlusted Batman who will do whatever it takes to win.

Ah, so everyone else is holding back?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said they did; in my post, which was a reply to Silent Master, I was bringing up the point that Bruce has, when holding back and younger/more inexperienced, fought for 28 hours continuously aganst trained killers.

IOW, endurance isn't going to be the deciding factor. Unless you think that they are all so evenly matched with a bloodlusted Bruce that Widow/Punisher/Fury et al can stalemate him for hours?

Cap A, yes. Daredevil, possibly. But the fights with the others are not going to go on for hours on end...

Not stalemate for hours but slow him down definitely . Even though he's bloodlusted he won't be one hit knocking them all out . Basically what I'm trying to say is that the fights will take their toll on Bruce imo at least. Also is Moon knight still superhuman ?

Honestly, Bruce being bloodlusted is a handicap to him imo. His ability to always think clearly and strategize is one of the things that makes him so dangerous.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Honestly, Bruce being bloodlusted is a handicap to him imo. His ability to always think clearly and strategize is one of the things that makes him so dangerous.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
cap still loses to him due to bruce being a better analizer/ taction intellegence and technique

He's bloodlusted though, he's not in the same mental state that he's normally in. If we were talking about someone with powers that holds them back like Superman, he would be at an advantage being bloodlusted. But someone who's main weapon is their mind, this scenerio plays out differently. Bruce is handicapped severely here. Too much for him to overcome imo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, Cap has comparable skill and the edge in physical stats.

Bruce: Superior skill, comparable physical abilities

Originally posted by namorsubby
you're almost correct, just invert your statement.

Bruce: Superior skill, comparable physical abilities

Incorrect.

Healed between rounds or not healed between rounds, pretboot or Nu, Bruce isn't reliably getting by Daredevil in H2H. Cass might clear, but not Bruce.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
everyone else has morals though and won't do everything that they can unlike a bloodlusted Batman who will do whatever it takes to win.

PIS is still off, though, so what difference will it really make? I really have never bought this particular argument, since everyone involved routinely fights enemies with all sorts of power advantages who are trying desperately to kill them. Bloodlust isnt a huge advantage.

Widow and Moon Knight have a modest chance of winning head to head but they would be definite underdogs.

In this lineup, without rest, Bruce falls to Moon Knight.

With rest, he gets 50-50 against Daredevil, tops.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Healed between rounds or not healed between rounds, pretboot or Nu, Bruce isn't reliably getting by Daredevil in H2H. Cass might clear, but not Bruce.

Originally posted by burrrrrr
Widow and Moon Knight have a modest chance of winning head to head but they would be definite underdogs.

In this lineup, without rest, Bruce falls to Moon Knight.

With rest, he gets 50-50 against Daredevil, tops.

Bats definitely isn't beating DD without healing. If he is healed, then its a maybe.

With healing he would, no if or maybe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
With healing he would, no if or maybe.

Based on what? What exactly does he have on Matt that makes you think he consistently takes him in hand to hand?

The way i see it, Bruce is a little stronger than Matt, but not a lot. He is not more skilled. He is not even in the same league when it comes to reflexes.

With standard equipment, Bruce would win every time. But H2H, he's going to get dealt with more often than not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
With healing he would, no if or maybe.

Maybe if we take the highest showings preboot batman had and the lowest that all the characters in the gauntlet had.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Based on what? What exactly does he have on Matt that makes you think he consistently takes him in hand to hand?

The way i see it, Bruce is a little stronger than Matt, but not a lot. He is not more skilled. He is not even in the same league when it comes to reflexes.

With standard equipment, Bruce would win every time. But H2H, he's going to get dealt with more often than not.

As for reflexes, he has caught a blitzing Impulse out of air and danced around Nightwing like nothing. But wait, Daredevil is like ninja and stuff and bats bullets, right?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Maybe if we take the highest showings preboot batman had and the lowest that all the characters in the gauntlet had.

Originally posted by Odekahn
He's bloodlusted though, he's not in the same mental state that he's normally in. If we were talking about someone with powers that holds them back like Superman, he would be at an advantage being bloodlusted. But someone who's main weapon is their mind, this scenerio plays out differently. Bruce is handicapped severely here. Too much for him to overcome imo.

Thats ridiculous. Look at what it has taken to topple Cap in just the past 2-3 years, its gonna take a lot more than a bloodlusted Bruce. Besides his only hopes lie in him fighting clear headed.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Thats ridiculous. Look at what it has taken to topple Cap in just the past 2-3 years, its gonna take a lot more than a bloodlusted Bruce. Besides his only hopes lie in him fighting clear headed.