DoomsDay VS The Flash

Originally posted by leonidas
i like flash a lot, but he should be banned from forum fights. OR, he should only be allowed to be used as he would be in a comic. dd crushes him btw.

Furthermore we get the argument of him getting hit by things much slower than he is. In forum I've seen people argue this as CIS which is allowed by forum fights. However in this case I have to call it as PIS because you cannot simply turn off someone's reflexes without some kind of impairing agent. In fact it has been stated on several occasions that the perception of a flash is simply inherently faster at all times and not something to be turned on and off. If this is the case then there reaction should always be at some kind of baseline. Considering the overused attosecond perception argument this means that nothing short of instantaneous attacks should do anything to the flash on a surprise attack let alone a focused and attentive flash who is actively tracking threats.

[QUOTE=14640154]Originally posted by Branlor Swift
[B]If he tries to bfr like what happened with Superboy, he'd get his head knocked off before it happened.

No not like what he did to superboy. He can send someone to the speed force just by looking at them. That should work right?

Originally posted by Stoic
Let me make myself clear. If the Flash was taken by surprise he could be gutted by Frank Castle, however if Thor was surprised, the knife would likely break on impact with his skin.

Logic is a bit flawed there, tbh. Though you said you didn't want to get in to it, I still felt I should point it out.

Flash can and has reacted to "surprises" just fine.

Unless Frank is faster than Speed Force ninjas and bullets then he's not surprising Flash.

But giving this fight to Doomsday. He at least has a win over Wally.

Doomsday projects a bone spur at ankle level and trips Flash ftw.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Logic is a bit flawed there, tbh. Though you said you didn't want to get in to it, I still felt I should point it out.

Flash can and has reacted to "surprises" just fine.

But if he were asleep? That's what I mean. He's a softy in terms of natural body armor, and must be active in order to mount a defense. Thor, Superman, Silver Surfer, Doomsday, Juggernaut etc really doesn't need to. The same applies to Dr. Strange albeit to a higher degree. Shoot glue over his mouth, and he's done.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Flash siphons the kinetic energy from a single cork around him, he drops it to absolute zero. This creates a chain reaction in which every cork in contact with that cork then drops to absolute zero, reality attempts to restore homeostasis by splitting the amount of energy in all corks near absolute zero. However nothing can restore absolute zero thus all corks drop to absolute zero, in less than a fraction of a picto second all reality across omniversal existence ceases to be.

Flash is last one standing, the fight ends before opponent even knows what happened.

Originally posted by Stoic
Shoot glue over his mouth, and he's done.

😆 It's official, Spidey stomps Strange 10/10

Originally posted by Stoic
But if he were asleep? That's what I mean. He's a softy in terms of natural body armor, and must be active in order to mount a defense. Thor, Superman, Silver Surfer, Doomsday, Juggernaut etc really doesn't need to. The same applies to Dr. Strange albeit to a higher degree. Shoot glue over his mouth, and he's done.

EVEN IF HE WERE ASLEEP sneer. As soon as Flash registers a single bit of pain, he will wake up, and instinctively vibrate out of it (he does it all the time). That's how Batman developed the plan in Tower of Babel.

As for the fight, Wally vibrates through Doomsday, and explodes him 😠 😠 😠

Or speedsteals him by looking at him.

Those are all I can think of, and I generally pride myself on thinking up weird tactics and applications of the Speed Force.

Speedsters are weird to write properly. It's essentially the same as Reed with prep - its a deus ex machina.

Especially when Flash has strategised and planned tactics in the space of microseconds before.

In a forum, Flash. In comics, as quanchi says, Doomsday.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
EVEN IF HE WERE ASLEEP sneer. As soon as Flash registers a single bit of pain, he will wake up, and instinctively vibrate out of it (he does it all the time). That's how Batman developed the plan in Tower of Babel.

As for the fight, Wally vibrates through Doomsday, and explodes him 😠 😠 😠

Or speedsteals him by looking at him.

Those are all I can think of, and I generally pride myself on thinking up weird tactics and applications of the Speed Force.

Speedsters are weird to write properly. It's essentially the same as Reed with prep - its a deus ex machina.

Especially when Flash has strategised and planned tactics in the space of microseconds before.

In a forum, Flash. In comics, as quanchi says, Doomsday.

See Bran. This is a perfect example right here. RIGHT HERE.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
😆 It's official, Spidey stomps Strange 10/10

You laugh but even classic Strange had problems with this type of thing.

glad this thread happened. that flash nonsense has been going on for far too long

All of you obviously hate Flash but I still dont see why he can't bfr Doomsday to the speed force and win.

Flash has many ways to win. Vibrating through DD (he can and has done it in comics), IMP (he can and has done it in comics), steal DD's speed (he can and has done it in comics), react and move in speeds far above light (he can and has done it in comics), bfr DD to speed force (he can and has done it in comics). So I don't get the "we are making shit up" routine. Everything Flash does is because he has done it already.

all that and DD just clothes lines him again

Originally posted by Uriel005
the problem with flash is that his powerset used with any kind of logic is made of stupid because writers just said hey thats kinda cool to have for a speedster lets throw that in... but if you let him consistently use the ability you have the same problem as if you say the hulk has absolutely infinite strength at any given time. However unlike the Hulk there is no ramp up time and in theory a flash using the speedforce to the max should go from 0-100 which means time travel, infinite energy applied to blows and just because some writers thought it was a brilliant idea the absolutely broken concept of speed steal which he has used on impulse iirc and had him frozen for years. Speed steal is actually described as taking the kinetic energy of something which has been its consistent definition and usage. And because kinetic energy is simply any moving energy that means that anything with a measurable energy level can be stopped by him if we trust the writers definition of the ability and don't give me nonsense about writer intent because the writer intent is pretty clear that he is removing the energy from something or someone to get them to stop moving.

Furthermore we get the argument of him getting hit by things much slower than he is. In forum I've seen people argue this as CIS which is allowed by forum fights. However in this case I have to call it as PIS because you cannot simply turn off someone's reflexes without some kind of impairing agent. In fact it has been stated on several occasions that the perception of a flash is simply inherently faster at all times and not something to be turned on and off. If this is the case then there reaction should always be at some kind of baseline. Considering the overused attosecond perception argument this means that nothing short of instantaneous attacks should do anything to the flash on a surprise attack let alone a focused and attentive flash who is actively tracking threats.

Originally posted by Revelation64
No not like what he did to superboy. He can send someone to the speed force just by looking at them. That should work right?

OK then pal, you should go ahead and show me Flash sending an immovable (to Flash) object like Doomsday to the speed force just by looking at him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
EVEN IF HE WERE ASLEEP sneer. As soon as Flash registers a single bit of pain, he will wake up, and instinctively vibrate out of it (he does it all the time). That's how Batman developed the plan in Tower of Babel.

As for the fight, Wally vibrates through Doomsday, and explodes him 😠 😠 😠

Or speedsteals him by looking at him.

Those are all I can think of, and I generally pride myself on thinking up weird tactics and applications of the Speed Force.

Speedsters are weird to write properly. It's essentially the same as Reed with prep - its a deus ex machina.

Especially when Flash has strategised and planned tactics in the space of microseconds before.

In a forum, Flash. In comics, as quanchi says, Doomsday.

This speedstealing issue sure seems like a viable tactic. If only and I mean, if only Doomsday had something like adapting to a timestop before from Waverider.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/10-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/11-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/12-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/13-2.jpg

At best it's a temporary reprieve. And then Doomsday will be back, and then something that has actually occurred in comics between these two characters might happen again.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-12.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-10.jpg

Also another off panel loss.

Well, I wouldn't compare them to Reed with prep considering Reed with prep actually beats high level threats. Flash just has cool powers.

How about before we state Flash can beat Doomsday level people, we actually prove he has defeated Doomsday level people before? No? Seems like a fair compromise. Hell, for all the flack Surfer, Thor, and Superman have for their exotic powers or uses (or Hulk's gamma attacks), they actually have defeated tough people with it. Flash on the other hand just gets the benefit of the doubt because look how quick his legs move! But I digress.

Your totally legitimate tactic of Flash exploding Doomsday is the way he's going to win IYO. Teach me how it will work.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
😆 It's official, Spidey stomps Strange 10/10

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So basically, we should just ignore a monster portion of his history because his powers are hip and happening?

Not like Superboy?

OK then pal, you should go ahead and show me Flash sending an immovable (to Flash) object like Doomsday to the speed force just by looking at him.

When has Flash blew up anyone anywhere near Doomsday' level of durability by vibrating?

This speedstealing issue sure seems like a viable tactic. If only and I mean, if only Doomsday had something like adapting to a timestop before from Waverider.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/10-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/11-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/12-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/13-2.jpg

At best it's a temporary reprieve. And then Doomsday will be back, and then something that has actually occurred in comics between these two characters might happen again.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-12.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-10.jpg

Also another off panel loss.

Well, I wouldn't compare them to Reed with prep considering Reed with prep actually beats high level threats. Flash just has cool powers.

How about before we state Flash can beat Doomsday level people, we actually prove he has defeated Doomsday level people before? No? Seems like a fair compromise. Hell, for all the flack Surfer, Thor, and Superman have for their exotic powers or uses (or Hulk's gamma attacks), they actually have defeated tough people with it. Flash on the other hand just gets the benefit of the doubt because look how quick his legs move! But I digress.

Your totally legitimate tactic of Flash exploding Doomsday is the way he's going to win IYO. Teach me how it will work.

Sadly I have no scan but he did do it to gorilla grodd. He has also sent people to the speed force by creating a vortex with his hands.

Well, I'm convinced.

And as I've always said, Gorilla Grodd is Doomsday level

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, I'm convinced.

And as I've always said, Gorilla Grodd is Doomsday level

It was just one example. At the time gorilla grodd was amped as well. He was faster than the flash and all his other abilities were increased. Strength doesnt matter anyway. Your telling me just because Doomsday is strong that he is immune to being randomly thrown into another dimension.