DoomsDay VS The Flash

Originally posted by Revelation64
It was just one example. At the time gorilla grodd was amped as well. He was faster than the flash and all his other abilities were increased. Strength doesnt matter anyway. Your telling me just because Doomsday is strong that he is immune to being randomly thrown into another dimension.

Strength was almost the exact reason they had trouble with Superboy Prime, when there was a lot of Flashes, and Bart was amped. But if strength doesn't matter, and you think Grodd being faster doesn't matter (which flows into my next part), then what could possibly stop Flash from doing this to any character ever?

And he's not immune to being thrown in another dimension. But there's a reason I asked when he's instantly bfr'ed someone into the speedforce as strong as Doomsday. You gave me Gorilla Grodd tapping into the speed force. If he can send Grodd to the speedforce, naturally he can send Doomsday, but why stop there? Current Darkseid would lose in a rematch, hell, Zauriel himself would just get tossed out. Because Gorilla Grodd.

Although, I take it you are using NuDC Flash? That seems even worse for his chances.

Originally posted by Stoic
But if he were asleep? That's what I mean. He's a softy in terms of natural body armor, and must be active in order to mount a defense. Thor, Superman, Silver Surfer, Doomsday, Juggernaut etc really doesn't need to. The same applies to Dr. Strange albeit to a higher degree. Shoot glue over his mouth, and he's done.

Flash has literally, and I mean literally, felt something against his skin, and been able to adapt on the fly.

Sure, his durability isn't cl100 or anything, but it honestly doesn't need to be most of the time.

I'm not going to pretend that people don't get out of hand with the Flash; they do. Just don't want it to swing too far the other way, and so on.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Flash has literally, and I mean literally, felt something against his skin, and been able to adapt on the fly.

Sure, his durability isn't cl100 or anything, but it honestly doesn't need to be most of the time.

I'm not going to pretend that people don't get out of hand with the Flash; they do. Just don't want it to swing too far the other way, and so on.

No I get it -Pr- I truly do, and that's why I brought up forum Flash beating anyone. I simply don't want to get into it, because there will always be a way for him not to lose, even though he does in comics. Is it PIS, or CIS that he loses in comics? Some of the posters arguing for him has me wondering. This of course brings me back to my first thought on the subject of why it is so hard to argue against the Flash. Uh... I mean forum Flash.

To be honest, I'm actually torn, and I just like to sit back and read what everyone says on the subject of the Flash vs random toon. I mean speed = mass right, so if the Flash throws 100,000 punches in 10 or less seconds (this may be slow for him) at the speed of light, how much mass is he hitting the random toon with? Who would be able to stand up to this type of power? It's LOL worthy IMO.

Originally posted by Stoic
No I get it -Pr- I truly do, and that's why I brought up forum Flash beating anyone. I simply don't want to get into it, because there will always be a way for him not to lose, even though he does in comics. Is it PIS, or CIS that he loses in comics? Some of the posters arguing for him has me wondering. This of course brings me back to my first thought on the subject of why it is so hard to argue against the Flash. Uh... I mean forum Flash.

To be honest, I'm actually torn, and I just like to sit back and read what everyone says on the subject of the Flash vs random toon. I mean speed = mass right, so if the Flash throws 100,000 punches in 10 or less seconds (this may be slow for him) at the speed of light, how much mass is he hitting the random toon with? Who would be able to stand up to this type of power? It's LOL worthy IMO.

Oh, it is. Some of the pro-Flash arguments are, honestly, retarded at times.

It's the problem of someone like Flash, even in the comics, and even in reading them, I've only found that the truly great Flash writers like Waid and Johns have been able to keep the PIS stuff to a minimum without making him seem unbeatable.

A lot of writers really struggle, and it only makes things harder for us in here to come to terms with the middle ground of the character.

Flash could just vibrate so fast that the very molecules that hold reality together implode, setting off a chain reaction that every molecule connected to the imploding molecule then implodes. All reality would then implode on a omniversal scale, sans Flash who has won.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So basically, we should just ignore a monster portion of his history because his powers are hip and happening?

Not like Superboy?

OK then pal, you should go ahead and show me Flash sending an immovable (to Flash) object like Doomsday to the speed force just by looking at him.

When has Flash blew up anyone anywhere near Doomsday' level of durability by vibrating?

This speedstealing issue sure seems like a viable tactic. If only and I mean, if only Doomsday had something like adapting to a timestop before from Waverider.
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At best it's a temporary reprieve. And then Doomsday will be back, and then something that has actually occurred in comics between these two characters might happen again.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-12.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/2-10.jpg

Also another off panel loss.

Well, I wouldn't compare them to Reed with prep considering Reed with prep actually beats high level threats. Flash just has cool powers.

How about before we state Flash can beat Doomsday level people, we actually prove he has defeated Doomsday level people before? No? Seems like a fair compromise. Hell, for all the flack Surfer, Thor, and Superman have for their exotic powers or uses (or Hulk's gamma attacks), they actually have defeated tough people with it. Flash on the other hand just gets the benefit of the doubt because look how quick his legs move! But I digress.

Your totally legitimate tactic of Flash exploding Doomsday is the way he's going to win IYO. Teach me how it will work.

Wow, you took my post seriously.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wow, you took my post seriously.....

That's not even the worst thing you've tried to say about them either.

Also concession accepted

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You've been saying that type of shit in every Flash/Zoom thread though, and arguing about it to boot.

That's not even the worst thing you've tried to say about them either.

Also concession accepted

Concession given?

Doomsday wins.

Now let's hug it out.

Originally posted by carver9
Flash isn't as powerful as people make him out to be.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
hes not but the fact is how the hell do you manage to hit him? to win the fight?

Like everyone else in comics that hits him.

Originally posted by carver9
Like everyone else in comics that hits him.

Hulk isn't fast enough to tag Flash if Flash doesn't want him to. He could wreck the environment though, making it harder for Flash to move, which could eventually net him the win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hulk isn't fast enough to tag Flash if Flash doesn't want him to. He could wreck the environment though, making it harder for Flash to move, which could eventually net him the win.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
through CIS PIS and unrealism? 😐

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
savage hulk is not that smart. but no doubt the professer or joe fixit could

He doesn't need to be smart; just angry and frustrated, which he's very capable of doing.

Agreed

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
savage hulk is not that smart. but no doubt the professer or joe fixit could

The Hulk was retconned to not be dumb back in the day, but he was more of an adolescent. This is why I simply don't understand many of the writers fixation with returning him back to that state. Character development demands that he grow the phuck up. All the same the Hulk was never dumb, he was plagued with dumb speech mannerisms though.

Carver, still waiting on that proof for Trinity.....

Since Doomsday was stated to be as fast as Flash by Booster Gold, then he obviously wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Like everyone else in comics that hits him.

That's what I say everytime Hulk touches an object and such object it's not blown into atoms or reaches escape velocity. Banner is such a weakling.

Flash can steal DDs speed and Imp him ftw.
Flash can bfr DD into the speed force.
These are just two possible ways Flash can win.