Originally posted by Nephthys
Batman would probably break his freaking hands if he tried swinging at Supes, lol.
There was one comic where Batman lost it and punched Superman. Next page:
Superman: Feeling better?
Batman: (Holding hand in agony) I think I broke my knuckles.
Superman: (uses X-ray vision) No but they're badly bruised. You're lucky I rolled with that punch or you'd have crippled yourself.
Yes, it was hilarious.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Could you list the rest? This just seems hard to believe.
Kyp has really done numerous things, I'm not aware of all of his feats. Within his first week of training in the NJO he had become the most talented of all of the trainees.
When he was contracted by the spirit of Exar Kun, only a couple months into his training IIRC, he was capable of unleashing a barrage of black force lightning that rendered Luke unconscious.
Also early in his training, he was able to use Force Sense to scope out the entire moon of Yavin 4 and locate the exact location of the Sun Crusher, which is insane.
Another time during his earlier years, he was able to use the Force to alter the environment in the atmosphere to create a storm, and directed it's electric energies at a Leviathan Wyyrm, killing it instantly.
He also was able to manipulate Dorvin Basals with greater ease and efficiency than Luke was capable of, and he developed the idea of Shadow Bombs, Torpedoes thrown telekinetically at Yuuzahn Vong ships.
He was able to telekinetically ragdoll Corran Horn rather casually, smacking him back and forth across a room with apparent ease. He was also shown throwing a damaged freighter ship at missile-like velocity.
Kyp has shown the ability to "mind rub" other Force Users, completely wiping select memories from the minds of the target. Kyp was also shown with high level of capability cloaking and masking himself in the Force.
Lumiya considered Kyp Durron to be the prime candidate along with Jacen to be her Sith apprentice, but chose the Skywalker due to Kyp's dangerously rebellious nature. Luke also noted that Kyp was the most powerful of all of his students in the Jedi Praxeum.
Now, admittedly, Kyp Durron for all of his power had not been in many lightsaber confrontations, however, Luke considered him one of the NJO's most masterful swordsmen--Considering him and Kyle Katarn to be better duelists than Gaalan--A Sith Bladesmaster that was able to go toe to toe with Luke in a duel for a short period. Note that Kyle Katarn was amongst the few in the Order who could hold his ground against Luke in a duel, and Kyp was measured as his equal or superior in terms of bladework.
He was also the Jedi Master of Jaina Solo, who would become the Sword of the Jedi and the combat equal of anyone in the Order, as well as the slayer of Caedus.
IIRC Kyp also has some pretty damn impressive feats with tutaminis.
Kyp, in my opinion, is more than prominent enough to make a top 15 Jedi list, if that was what you were questioning.
See? I'm not just saying things.
Also, Luke acknowledged Kyp having "frightening potential", and when they were training for the first time he was extremely impressed with Kyp's "natural affinity to the Force", claiming it was unlike anything he'd seen before.
Untrained, his precognition abilities were high-calibre, which imo means he was at the very least a decent swordsman once he became a full-fledged Jedi.
He was skilled enough with TK to slow down the Sun Crusher as it came crashing down Yavin IV. Which is pretty great, considering the Sun Crusher's massive.
Here's my list [in no particular order]:
Luke Skywalker
Jacen Solo
Mace Windu
Yoda
Revan
Hero of Tython
Barsen'thor
Meetra Surik*
Satele Shan
Anakin Skywalker
Galen Marek
Obi-Wan Kenobi*
Kyp Durron
Kyle Katarn*
Cade Skywalker*
* I have yet to make my mind on them, but they're temporarily on my list until I think of better ones.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I meant more like top 15-20 overall. Among chiefly Jedi, he could easily make the list.
Just saw this. I meant top 15 Jedi, not overall.
Also, Superman sucks. So generic. Also, Goku > Superman.
Superman, generic? That's like saying Lord of the Rings ripped off Harry Potter. They're called "SUPER"heroes for a reason...
Anyway, I totally recognize Sion's attribute for what it is, that's why I thought this would be a decent fight. The most surefire way to take someone out is to kill them. There are other ways to neutralize an opponent, but not being able to die is an excellent attribute, and if your opponent can't do anything other than kill, it's a legitimate victory. That being said it seems pretty agreed upon that Kyp's arsenal is up tot he task. I'll probably put him in another match up soon.
Supes is what everybody would love to be, or at least what kids would. Maybe the correct word is not generic, more like unoriginal. Like, if you asked a kid "if you were a superhero, what powers would you like to have?", he'd almost certainly reply: "I'd love to fly, to have laser vision, to have super-strength, to be invincible, etc". Virtually everything Superman is. It's almost unfair. He's got everything, which imo, makes him suck.
Superheroes like Batman or Spiderman or Aquaman or Flash are much better for me. And Goku is just the shitz.
