WBH wins this.
Hulk easily trumped Umar in her own dimension and, by easily I mean that he wasn't even exerting himself.
Unlike KT, Hulk has never been properly tested, his feats as stupendous as they are, represent just the minimal impact of his punches.
He's demonstrated to be atleast as powerful as one-half of the IB, to be immune to time-freeze/stop and to be capable of punching through time.
Simply put, WBH/Hulk has the better on-panel feats and those aren't even indicative of him trying very hard. KT loses this.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WBH's SHARED feat, let's clarify.Also:
That's great and dandy but we have to argue character here. I'm not sure KT WANTS to do a timestop in a battle. That would go against his warrior mentality. He never attempted to time stop in EVERY battle he occurred. I can see if he did it once in mid battle. Then that would prove it is in his character.
But if he is of the cowardly character to just time stop right away (or arguing power sets in which I'm fine with) then I'm pretty sure he could possible beat WBH. His power set makes him not able to lose to anyone not immune to operating in time (abstract beings). That means he can't lose to any non abstract being.
Originally posted by EpicurusIt takes more than a billion times more force to destroy something without touching it from hundreds of yards away.
Such as?
Does KT have the power output to destroy a planet while disintegrating thousands of mindless ones (who can overwhelm a skyfather) at the same time along other Hulk peers?
If so then that is awesome. Note:
Now does he have the powerout of a billion times more than that?
See that's the critical difference in the two.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's great and dandy but we have to argue character here. I'm not sure KT WANTS to do a timestop in a battle. That would go against his warrior mentality. He never attempted to time stop in EVERY battle he occurred. I can see if he did it once in mid battle. Then that would prove it is in his character.
But if he is of the cowardly character to just time stop right away (or arguing power sets in which I'm fine with) then I'm pretty sure he could possible beat WBH. His power set makes him not able to lose to anyone not immune to operating in time (abstract beings). That means he can't lose to any non abstract being.It takes more than a billion times more force to destroy something without touching it from hundreds of yards away.
Does KT have the power output to destroy a planet while disintegrating thousands of mindless ones (who can overwhelm a skyfather) at the same time along other Hulk peers?
If so then that is awesome. Note:
Now does he have the powerout of a billion times more than that?
See that's the critical difference in the two.
Oh, ok, let's argue in character then.
In a featureless environment, with Hulk unsure as to whether KT could keep coming back over and over again, Hulk holds himself back, and depowers himself to normal Hulk levels.
KT kills him.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's great and dandy but we have to argue character here. I'm not sure KT WANTS to do a timestop in a battle. That would go against his warrior mentality. He never attempted to time stop in EVERY battle he occurred. I can see if he did it once in mid battle. Then that would prove it is in his character.
But if he is of the cowardly character to just time stop right away (or arguing power sets in which I'm fine with) then I'm pretty sure he could possible beat WBH. His power set makes him not able to lose to anyone not immune to operating in time (abstract beings). That means he can't lose to any non abstract being.It takes more than a billion times more force to destroy something without touching it from hundreds of yards away.
Does KT have the power output to destroy a planet while disintegrating thousands of mindless ones (who can overwhelm a skyfather) at the same time along other Hulk peers?
If so then that is awesome. Note:
Now does he have the powerout of a billion times more than that?
See that's the critical difference in the two.
Oh, ok, let's argue in character then.
In a featureless environment, with Hulk unsure as to whether KT could keep coming back over and over again, Hulk holds himself back, and depowers himself to normal Hulk levels.
KT kills him.
Otherwise, we're ignoring characters, and using powersets, right?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, ok, let's argue in character then.In a featureless environment, with Hulk unsure as to whether KT could keep coming back over and over again, Hulk holds himself back, and depowers himself to normal Hulk levels.
KT kills him.
For the sake of the stipulation of the thread we must argue WBH and not any other version of Hulk. That means he cannot go back to normal levels or WWH levels based off the stipulations. In other words, he is bloodlusted here.
1. KT wins if he time stops
2. KT wins if WBH goes to normal levels
3. WBH wins if 1. and 2. aren't an option.
Is that better?
Originally posted by h1a8
For the sake of the stipulation of the thread we must argue WBH and not any other version of Hulk. That means he cannot go back to normal levels or WWH levels based off the stipulations. In other words, he is bloodlusted here.1. KT wins if he time stops
2. KT wins if WBH goes to normal levels
3. WBH wins if 1. and 2. aren't an option.Is that better?
He would still hold back. It's well known that the Hulk does not kill. King Thor kills. Even if he does not depower himself to normal Hulk levels, nor will he be outputting the amount of damage he did in the Dark Dimension with Betty.
Originally posted by carver9
Just want to throw out there that Hulk recently bypassed timestop (a weaker version of Hulk). He was still moving while everyone else was frozen in time.With that said, please continue.
Different version of Hulk. Inapplicable.
Mod ruling (used for WWH, but still):
From now on, people using "WWH" as a term to describe Hulk, will have the Hulk in their thread restricted to using feats from the arc.
Plus, Strange used a time stop in the Dark Dimension. WBH didn't move, did he? Or am I missing something.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't see why not. He will be fighting a target that he is trying to get to. So why wouldn't he. His focus was on She Rulk during the time Strange stopped time.
Evidence that WBH can power through a mystical time stop, as opposed to a technological one? You could try using a different Hulk, but you have already acknowledged that they are different ('This' Hulk actually etc etc....)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Evidence that WBH can power through a mystical time stop, as opposed to a technological one? You could try using a different Hulk, but you have already acknowledged that they are different ('This' Hulk actually etc etc....)
Huh? Time stop is time stop. Hulks don't just gain new powers out of the wood work, it's part of him. Also, when was it mentioned him having Chronal metal during that instance because all of the powers worked on Hulk, he just powered through it. He was even aged during that instance and probably would have died if it wasn't for the sword. It was even stated that it would be hard for Hulk to battle someone who could control time. Excuses.
All of this wasn't directed at you Dark.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Hulk had that chronal metal when he overcame the time stop, either way KT wins, too many options, time stop being just one.
Different Hulk
Assistance using non standard equipment
Different timestop natures (mystical vs technological)
A summary of the arguments against carver.
Against h1:
1. In character, Hulk will hold back. So any arguments about his amazing powerlevels is moot, as he only did that when he was sure it had no consequences.
2. It was a shared feat that he did with Betty. So destroying the world wasn't as impressive (still damn impressive) as he's trying to calculate it to be.
3. Time stop.
If h1 argues about character mindsets, then please see point 1. If he doesn't, see point 3.
KT wins.