Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not the same IF either.Difference is, IF's amps and improvements have been seen.
Haven't seen any if BP's improvements yet to make a judgement.
So Black Panther taking on Phoenix Namor and withstand attacks from him isn't an improvment? Him taking on and defeating one of Thanos strong henchmen isn't an improvment? The same henchmen that was taking on (solo) Gladiator, Ronan, and Super Skrull and actually had the advantage in the beginning. I'm seeing a lot of improvements. His fts has been impressive since his upgrade.
Originally posted by carver9
So Black Panther taking on Phoenix Namor and withstand attacks from him isn't an improvment? Him taking on and defeating one of Thanos strong henchmen isn't an improvment? The same henchmen that was taking on (solo) Gladiator, Ronan, and Super Skrull and actually had the advantage in the beginning. I'm seeing a lot of improvements.
He wasn't wearing his normal outfit when he got hit by that blast from Namor, and he admitted he couldn't hurt Namor at all, and was only stalling. Cap did more damage than him.
Storm, in AvX, did more damage to BP (post-'upgrade'😉 than Namor:
Was it shown how he defeated Black Dwarf, or was it off panel?
I stand by my original statement. Not seen enough to make a judgement in favour of BP.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let him. Because Storm > Phoenix 5 Namor too in terms of h2h damage, it seems.
Do you really think he was going all out, and why use that showing when we both know IF have similar showings. Didn't he recently get worked by Wolverine while BP ripped Wolverine apart while working on his computer?
Also, yes, he withstood an attack from Phoenix Namor and beat BD.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you really think he was going all out, and why use that showing when we both know IF have similar showings. Didn't he recently get worked by Wolverine while BP ripped Wolverine apart while working on his computer?Also, yes, he withstood an attack from Phoenix Namor and beat BD.
Why would going all out affect his suit durability? He took a blast in the face from Namor, and his suit was fine. Storm in the VERY same storyline, managed to pretty much work him over and caused more damage. See scan provided. Conclusion: Namor was either weaksauce, or taking it easy on BP so he could laugh in his face. Or Storm is >P5 Namor.
With BD, he got lucky (as stated), and it was off-panel. Broke his hand, too.
You mean the sparring session where he didn't use his IF/Logan had no claws? So...totally not representative?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would going all out affect his suit durability? He took a blast in the face from Namor, and his suit was fine. Storm in the VERY same storyline, managed to pretty much work him over and caused more damage. See scan provided. Conclusion: Namor was either weaksauce, or taking it easy on BP so he could laugh in his face. Or Storm is >P5 Namor.With BD, he got lucky (as stated), and it was off-panel. Broke his hand, too.
You mean the sparring session where he didn't use his IF/Logan had no claws? So...totally not representative?
Again, I don't understand why you are bringing his fight up with Storm when we have something onpanel with him surviving an attack from Phoenix Namor when others were falling. It doesn't matter what happened before or after this when I am clearly bringing up a showing that happened.
Huh? BP heat him. Doesn't matter if his ribs was broke, BP beat an elite. The last thing we see is BD and BP charging each other ending with BP standing over him.
Yes, I mean the sparring match.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, I don't understand why you are bringing his fight up with Storm when we have something onpanel with him surviving an attack from Phoenix Namor when others were falling. It doesn't matter what happened before or after this when I am clearly bringing up a showing that happened.Huh? BP heat him. Doesn't matter if his ribs was broke, BP beat an elite. The last thing we see is BD and BP charging each other ending with BP standing over him.
So IOW, other showings (from the same storyline) don't matter, because it contradicts what you assert? Isn't that cherry picking?
I brought up the Storm fight because it's A: shows the durability in the same storyline as the one you brought up and B: shows how, despite having the 'skills of 10,000 years worth of BPs' or whatever it was, he still gets caught out by Storm.
BP stated he was fortunate to win against Dwarf, and had the battle gone on for longer, he would have lost.
Ultimately, IF has had a longer time period and more showings since his upgrade. He will of course have his highs, and his lows. On average, however, he has been upgraded since the last time he fought BP and won.
BP has had fewer showings since his upgrade. He has his highs (which you mentioned, which are pretty few) and his lows (which are equal in number). Add them together, and average them out carver.
Compare and contrast how he takes out a Skrull with the powers of Thor, Beta Ray Bill and Loki (am assuming with Loki, what with the horns). Also, in the previous page, someone with Thing's powers. I know how you always said that Black Bolt Skrull had the exact same power levels etc as the original, so this Loki/Thor/BRB Skrull should be the same, right?
So where is the upgrade?