The BP/Dwarf fight happened off panel. And he broke his hand, stated that he was fortunate to have won, and had the fight gone on, he would've lost to Dwarf. Did he use his skills, his tech, the other Wakandans to help him out? We don't know.
Contrast that to his pre-KotD upgrade, where he effortlessly beheaded a Skrull with Thor/BRB/Loki's powers, and beat another who had Thing+other's powers. As carver likes to say how Skrulls have all the powers/experience of the originals (c.f. SkrullBolt), the Skrull BP killed pre-upgrade effortlessly was in effect BRB/Thor/Loki level.
Also:
Ultimately, IF has had a longer time period and more showings since his upgrade. He will of course have his highs, and his lows. On average, however, he has been upgraded since the last time he fought BP and won.BP has had fewer showings since his upgrade. He has his highs (which you mentioned, which are pretty few) and his lows (which are equal in number). Add them together, and average them out carver.
That should be the summary, without scans.
See, the reason Cassandra Cain beat Shiva isn't because she went down second. It's because she got up first, and walked away.
Rand vs Panther was basically a double ko, with the latter being left with inoperable, potentially fatal brain damage.
Danny was all offense, zero defense. And Panther used prep tonboot.
@Dark...I never said the Skrulls have identical powers as their copies, what I did say is, the Black Bolt skrull was identical due to Reed Richards reading his power level and determining that he was capable of opening a shift in space/time. He had everyone fooled...they thought he was the real thing. Then, his scream ripped a chunk out of the moon the size of a state. So we have him ripping through space/time with a scream (a ft greater than what the original BB has done his entire career), and ripping a chunk out of the moon the size of a state. Then, while they were fighting on the moon, Black Bolt scream (the one he hit Hulk with) was felt on the planet causing planetary level destruction across the globe) (another ft that poops on anything the original has done). So yeah, I have my reasons on why I think he was equal to the original. Does the Skrulls you bring up have fts?
Originally posted by deathslash
He fought Ronan, Gladiator, Super Skrull, and Annihilus for a brief time.
Then the weakest of the four squashed his head like an overripe melon. He held his own, sure, for all the good it did him. How did Shang Chi/Black Widow do against Black Dwarf?
Skrull even enjoyed it, despite being the only one to take any damage (not that it matters when you can shapeshift):
Originally posted by cdtm
See, the reason Cassandra Cain beat Shiva isn't because she went down second. It's because she got up first, and walked away.Rand vs Panther was basically a double ko, with the latter being left with inoperable, potentially fatal brain damage.
Danny was all offense, zero defense. And Panther used prep tonboot.
Danny had more chi to go off in that fight, as he was more amped up then normal and morals off to boot. While Panther was just fighting to save his friend by either knockout or contain the situation.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Shang is a god.BW was showing BD her titties, he preferred her alive.
True. It's a good durability feat from Dwarf that he was able to last that long against Shang 👆
But in all seriousness, Dwarf was a bit of a joke - really, Thanos should've upped his game when finding generals.
It's been almost two years, TWO, since BP got his upgrade. What other feats has he shown to warrant his KotD hyperbolic upgrade? Because so far, all I've seen is a blast in the face from Namor (whilst in the same storyline, he gets pretty bloodied from fighting Storm, and IF is shown to be > Phoenix Force), and being lucky in barely beating a hyped up Black Dwarf off-panel, who as we have seen seems to have some kinda weakness against fighting agile human-sized martial artist.
Originally posted by SamZED
On KMC he is the best fighter period apparently.
He's top five in pure skill, yeah.
But it's really the fact he's been more or less a match for Spider-Man in terms of things like speed, agility, durability, and even a sixth sense as good as Matt's Radar Sense or Spidey's Spidey Sense.
Spidey can beat the entire Bat family on his own, or most any street. Danny = Spidey in his Captain Universe days, basically. 😛 (Not really, but he's more or less Spidey with a class 70 punch, and Shang Chi level skills.)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does Black Dwarf have feats?
His fts has already been listed, and he was taken out by a surprise attack from Ronan while taking on a group of Heralds 'and doing well'.
You bringing up the Shang showing isn't as bad as you are trying to make it since he was stomping them. He was surprised that they were still standing which would have more to do with Shang will power than anything.
I don't get your point about Black Panther either. Ok, he had a broken hand and ribs, but he won (which was stated on panel). He beat someone that was undefeatable until he met his defeat at the hands of a group of Heralds (sneak attack). Unless you count the Thanos showing that was a sneak attack as well.
All of Thanos henchmen were powerful, don't know why you are excluding him from the list when we both know he was operating above meta levels.
Originally posted by carver9
His fts has already been listed, and he was taken out by a surprise attack from Ronan while taking on a group of Heralds 'and doing well'.You bringing up the Shang showing isn't as bad as you are trying to make it since he was stomping them. He was surprised that they were still standing which would have more to do with Shang will power than anything.
I don't get your point about Black Panther either. Ok, he had a broken hand and ribs, but he won (which was stated on panel). He beat someone that was undefeatable until he met his defeat at the hands of a group of Heralds (sneak attack). Unless you count the Thanos showing that was a sneak attack as well.
All of Thanos henchmen were powerful, don't know why you are excluding him from the list when we both know he was operating above meta levels.
Yes, he barely won a lucky victory, the circumstances of which we do not know, in an off-panel win. Your assertion he did it hand-to-hand is as valid as me saying he came out in a Panther robot exoskeleton and shot him full of nanites or something silly like that.
He was surprised, as were we all, as him with an entire squad were still unable to do anything, considering Widow had been taken out pretty early on, so it would've pretty much been Shang, on his own, against a squad of alien soldiers and Dwarf. And he was still standing.
I am excluding him from the list because Dwarf was never that impressive. He did well, until Ronan took it seriously - Skrull was enjoying himself, stated on panel.
In summary - Dwarf wasn't that impressive, and Panther barely beat him in a lucky fight, the circumstances of which are unknown.
Hardly a ringing endorsement, considering we've had nearly two years of appearances to draw upon.