Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't think they where using gloves in the movie though.
They're wearing MMA gloves
Originally posted by juggerman
Doubtful. I know Drago was supposed to be some bad ass machine like roid head but Rocky could go punch for punch with him. He absolutely could not take shots from Clubber tho. Feat wise Clubber was a much harder puncher. Drago may have him on skill tho
Except he took shots from him in their rematch. In their first match Rocky wasn't in his best shape, and was distracted by Mickey's death. He kicked his ass when he got in shape, and picked up Creed's techniques. Drago has legit superhuman punches, and killed Creed in 2 rounds. He also lasted longer against Rocky than Clubber did.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Except he took shots from him in their rematch. In their first match Rocky wasn't in his best shape, and was distracted by Mickey's death. He kicked his ass when he got in shape, and picked up Creed's techniques. Drago has legit superhuman punches, and killed Creed in 2 rounds. He also lasted longer against Rocky than Clubber did.
Actually he didn't take too many shots in the rematch. That was the whole purpose of Creeds training. He couldn't stand toe to toe with him like he did with everyone else so he needed to be able to move and dodge and dance.
With Drago he went right back to brawling and did fine. Rewatch the part in 3 when Creed and Rocky are watching the film on Lang and you'll hear Creed flat out tell Rocky he can't stand toe to toe with him. Then watch the 2nd fight and you'll see Rocky dip and dodge in the first round to avoid any punches. He gets rocked in the 2nd round and in the thrid he blocks and avoids Langs hits to tire him out.
He used none of those tactics with Drago. He just out punched him. Something he had no chance of doing with Lang
Originally posted by juggerman
Actually he didn't take too many shots in the rematch. That was the whole purpose of Creeds training. He couldn't stand toe to toe with him like he did with everyone else so he needed to be able to move and dodge and dance.With Drago he went right back to brawling and did fine. Rewatch the part in 3 when Creed and Rocky are watching the film on Lang and you'll hear Creed flat out tell Rocky he can't stand toe to toe with him. Then watch the 2nd fight and you'll see Rocky dip and dodge in the first round to avoid any punches. He gets rocked in the 2nd round and in the thrid he blocks and avoids Langs hits to tire him out.
He used none of those tactics with Drago. He just out punched him. Something he had no chance of doing with Lang
He dodged some of Lang's attacks in the first round, yeah, but he fell back to his meatshield ways in the second and third rounds. In those last 2 rounds Clubber managed to score multiple hard shots, and knocked Rocky down twice, and that barely even slowed Rocky down. Drago on the other hand was tossing Rocky around like a rag doll, and gave Rocky brain damage. In fact Rocky was mocking Clubber throughout the fight, and tanked all of his hits. Not to mention that Drago lasted almost to the end while Clubber was KTFO in 3 rounds.
Originally posted by Psychotron
He dodged some of Lang's attacks in the first round, yeah, but he fell back to his meatshield ways in the second and third rounds. In those last 2 rounds Clubber managed to score multiple hard shots, and knocked Rocky down twice, and that barely even slowed Rocky down. Drago on the other hand was tossing Rocky around like a rag doll, and gave Rocky brain damage. In fact Rocky was mocking Clubber throughout the fight, and tanked all of his hits. Not to mention that Drago lasted almost to the end while Clubber was KTFO in 3 rounds.
Ok Rocky was almost koed in the second round with Lang. He was rocked by just a few hits. He took Dragos hits for 15 rounds. At the end of the 2nd round he was purposely getting Lang to tire out. He would block and dodge and this continued into the 3rd round. Even the announcer comments on this. Rocky could not take his hits unprotected like he did Dragos. And while Drago did last longer, Rocky also did not use the tactic with him. He just out punched him. Again something he was unable to do with Lang
Drago has Lang on stamina imo but Lang him on outright power
Originally posted by juggermanHe used none of those tactics with Drago. He just out punched him. Something he had no chance of doing with Lang
Rocky outlasted Drago, absorbed all his super-roided hits, then when Drago was spent, he fought back and destroyed.
Lang beat an out of shape Rocky and killed a decrepit old man, that's his best. Drago killed Appollo creed, a retired but still in great shape fighter who would have danced circles around Lang.
Originally posted by Robtard
Rocky outlasted Drago, absorbed all his super-roided hits, then when Drago was spent, he fought back and destroyed.Lang beat an out of shape Rocky and killed a decrepit old man, that's his best. Drago killed Appollo creed, a retired but still in great shape fighter who would have danced circles around Lang.
Yes he took all of Dragos hits. Something he could not do with Lang
Should we start a new thread to debate this? We're way off topic
Originally posted by juggerman
Yes he took all of Dragos hits. Something he could not do with LangShould we start a new thread to debate this? We're way off topic
When Rocky was out of shape; once in shape, he had no problem getting punched by Lang.
Yeah, don't want to derail further in here. But iirc, there might be one already.
Originally posted by Robtard
When Rocky was out of shape; once in shape, he had no problem getting punched by Lang.Yeah, don't want to derail further in here. But iirc, there might be one already.
He still couldn't handle his punches hence his need to dip dodge and block to tire Lang out. He didn't need that with Drago. I'll look for that thread
Originally posted by juggerman
Ok Rocky was almost koed in the second round with Lang. He was rocked by just a few hits. He took Dragos hits for 15 rounds. At the end of the 2nd round he was purposely getting Lang to tire out. He would block and dodge and this continued into the 3rd round. Even the announcer comments on this. Rocky could not take his hits unprotected like he did Dragos. And while Drago did last longer, Rocky also did not use the tactic with him. He just out punched him. Again something he was unable to do with LangDrago has Lang on stamina imo but Lang him on outright power
No, no. I just re-watched the second fight. Rocky was taking Clubber's shots and asking for more. They didn't even phase him. He was actively mocking Lang, and letting him wail on him. I'm willing to bet Rocky would have won the first fight if his will wasn't eroded by Mickey's death.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd also say that Tommy has more knockout power. In every one of his fights in the movie, he knocked out his opponents within the first round (other than the one against his brother). Rocky's matches usually go the distance before he scores a knockout, and sometimes even goes to decision.
So what? Drago had superhuman punches (2150 PSI) and KILLED Apollo, a former champion, in 2 rounds. That's far more impressive than Tommy's knockouts.
Originally posted by Psychotron
So what? Drago had superhuman punches (2150 PSI) and KILLED Apollo, a former champion, in 2 rounds. That's far more impressive than Tommy's knockouts.
I'm not saying that Tommy can KO Rocky, just that Tommy has more knockout power than Rocky. Besides, if the referee hadn't pulled off Tommy from Mad Dog, he'd have killed him in 1 round.
If this was a pure boxing match, then it would probably go the distance with both combatants bloody and Rocky winning the decision. If this was a mma match then Tommy tears Rocky apart in the first round.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not saying that Tommy can KO Rocky, just that Tommy has more knockout power than Rocky. Besides, if the referee hadn't pulled off Tommy from Mad Dog, he'd have killed him in 1 round.If this was a pure boxing match, then it would probably go the distance with both combatants bloody and Rocky winning the decision. If this was a mma match then Tommy tears Rocky apart in the first round.
Well OP said it's in a boxing ring and all rules apply so I assume it's a boxing match. Tommy def. does not go the distance with Rocky. He always wins via knockout.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Well OP said it's in a boxing ring and all rules apply so I assume it's a boxing match. Tommy def. does not go the distance with Rocky. He always wins via knockout.
We've also never seen him (Tommy) get knocked out. We never even saw him get rocked by a hit. He's fought on despite a dislocated shoulder. And he's used to getting hit by much thinner gloves. So I doubt Rocky can KO him, though I'm pretty sure Rocky wins via unanimous decision (given that it's a boxing match of course).
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, no. I just re-watched the second fight. Rocky was taking Clubber's shots and asking for more. They didn't even phase him. He was actively mocking Lang, and letting him wail on him. I'm willing to bet Rocky would have won the first fight if his will wasn't eroded by Mickey's death.
No he didn't he was blocking them. He was talking shit then he walked up to Clubber and put his hands up to his head. He actively blocked them. He could not take the hits.