Originally posted by FrothByte
We've also never seen him (Tommy) get knocked out. We never even saw him get rocked by a hit. He's fought on despite a dislocated shoulder. And he's used to getting hit by much thinner gloves. So I doubt Rocky can KO him, though I'm pretty sure Rocky wins via unanimous decision (given that it's a boxing match of course).
We've never seen Tommy go up against an opponent of Rocky's caliber. 10-15 rounds of an after-montage Rocky caving his face in would probably be enough to KO him. Besides, Tommy didn't show that much technical skill, he was basically a shorter, and probably weaker Ivan Drago, and Rocky beat him.
Originally posted by Psychotron
We've never seen Tommy go up against an opponent of Rocky's caliber. 10-15 rounds of an after-montage Rocky caving his face in would probably be enough to KO him. Besides, Tommy didn't show that much technical skill, he was basically a shorter, and probably weaker Ivan Drago, and Rocky beat him.
Tommy went up against the no. 1 contender for his weight class and easily beat him up. That has to be decent caliber. Just because he had an easy time winning doesn't mean that his opponents weren't high caliber, just that he was that good. As for skill, it's not like Rocky is a skilled boxer anyway. He's a slugger, preferring to stand and duke it out. Besides, watch this video of Tommy's fights. The 1st and 3rd matches show him having pretty good skill and speed, better than any Rocky has shown:
Originally posted by FrothByte
Tommy went up against the no. 1 contender for his weight class and easily beat him up. That has to be decent caliber. Just because he had an easy time winning doesn't mean that his opponents weren't high caliber, just that he was that good. As for skill, it's not like Rocky is a skilled boxer anyway. He's a slugger, preferring to stand and duke it out. Besides, watch this video of Tommy's fights. The 1st and 3rd matches show him having pretty good skill and speed, better than any Rocky has shown:
Rocky has plenty of skill after Apollo trained him, he just doesn't need to use it much because of his freakish damage soak. I'd argue that guys like Apollo (a world heavyweight champion and basically Mohammad Ali) and Drago (legit superhuman strength) are far more impressive than the guys Tommy fought.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Rocky has plenty of skill after Apollo trained him, he just doesn't need to use it much because of his freakish damage soak. I'd argue that guys like Apollo (a world heavyweight champion and basically Mohammad Ali) and Drago (legit superhuman strength) are far more impressive than the guys Tommy fought.
We saw Rocky use skill once against Clubber, never used it again. Like I said before, I don't think Tommy is winning the boxing match. Just that Rocky probably won't KO him as Rocky's strength is his damage soak and not much his knockout power.
But Tommy will give Rocky a better fight in a boxing match than Rocky can give Tommy a fight in an mma match. The boxing match can go the distance, if Rocky does get a KO it will probably be in the latter rounds. An mma match however will end within the first round.
Originally posted by FrothByte
We saw Rocky use skill once against Clubber, never used it again. Like I said before, I don't think Tommy is winning the boxing match. Just that Rocky probably won't KO him as Rocky's strength is his damage soak and not much his knockout power.But Tommy will give Rocky a better fight in a boxing match than Rocky can give Tommy a fight in an mma match. The boxing match can go the distance, if Rocky does get a KO it will probably be in the latter rounds. An mma match however will end within the first round.
That he only used it once just proves that he doesn't like to use it. All of Rocky's victories have been through knockout, even at the age of 60 he was strong enough to clean and jerk 140kg. He can definitely KO Tommy.
Tommy was pretty much a brawler like Rocky, his brother was the technical one.
Originally posted by Psychotron
That he only used it once just proves that he doesn't like to use it. All of Rocky's victories have been through knockout, even at the age of 60 he was strong enough to clean and jerk 140kg. He can definitely KO Tommy.Tommy was pretty much a brawler like Rocky, his brother was the technical one.
At the age of 60? He didn't win that fight IIRC. That one went to decision and he lost. Rocky has lost a few fights. Tommy only lost once and he had to get a dislocated shoulder for that to happen. Rocky KO's opponents but I don't recall him ever KO'ing a decent opponent during early rounds. It's always been in latter rounds... as compared to Tommy who can knockout people with his first hit.
And Tommy may not be as technical as his brother but he showed more technique than Rocky. His sparring match proved that. THe only reason he doesn't resort to technique with most of his fights is because he can finish it very quickly. Rocky doesn't seem to resort to technique even if he's getting beat up and insists on trading hits.
Originally posted by FrothByte
At the age of 60? He didn't win that fight IIRC. That one went to decision and he lost. Rocky has lost a few fights. Tommy only lost once and he had to get a dislocated shoulder for that to happen. Rocky KO's opponents but I don't recall him ever KO'ing a decent opponent during early rounds. It's always been in latter rounds... as compared to Tommy who can knockout people with his first hit.And Tommy may not be as technical as his brother but he showed more technique than Rocky. His sparring match proved that. THe only reason he doesn't resort to technique with most of his fights is because he can finish it very quickly. Rocky doesn't seem to resort to technique even if he's getting beat up and insists on trading hits.
I'm not talking about the fight itself, though it is absurdly impressive for a 60 year old man to go the distance with the current heavyweight champion, and give him a run for his money. I'm talking about his training. Even at that age he was strong enough to clean and jerk 140kg, and to squat 200+. So, Rocky has a very impressive amount of strength. Rocky KOed Clubber Lang in the third round. There was also that montage in the third one showing him defeat a bunch of other boxers by KO.
Rocky doesn't resort to technique because he can use his inhuman damage soak. So, Rocky is going to fall back on his durability, and Tommy is going to fall back on his strength. And I'd bet money on Rocky's durability.