Originally posted by The Spleen
OK, then I have one name for you. Alice.
Oh yeah, how could I forget about Alice. Her precog will win the day except...well it won't. She clearly states she can't use it on the shapeshifters or Renesmee because she has no experience being a shapeshifter or a human/vampire hybrid. She can see vampires because she is one, and she can see humans because she was one. Since she's never been a God, stands to reason her power won't work on them either.
Originally posted by KingD19Her powers not working on the individuals you stated are one thing, saying they will not work here is highly debatable. She can't see anything involved with the werewolves/shape-shifters or vampire hybrids, this has been established, but to say it rolls over to Gods, well, there is no proof of that.
Oh yeah, how could I forget about Alice. Her precog will win the day except...well it won't. She clearly states she can't use it on the shapeshifters or Renesmee because she has no experience being a shapeshifter or a human/vampire hybrid. She can see vampires because she is one, and she can see humans because she was one. Since she's never been a God, stands to reason her power won't work on them either.
Besides, there are other powers to consider.
Originally posted by The Spleen
Her powers not working on the individuals you stated are one thing, saying they will not work here is highly debatable. She can't see anything involved with the werewolves/shape-shifters or vampire hybrids, this has been established, but to say it rolls over to Gods, well, there is no proof of that.Besides, there are other powers to consider.
We don't need proof. We have Alice, a master of her own powers words. She says she can't see shapeshifters and hybrids because she has no experience being a shapeshifter or a hybrid. But since she is a vampire and was a human, then her powers work on them.
That means since she's never been a God, she wouldn't be able to see Gods. Why would that apply to just them and not everything else? She shouldn't be able to see Children of the Moon(True Twilight Werewolves), or Gods, or anything else not human or Vampire because she herself said that was what she was limited to.
And we've already pointed out how the others powers won't help much.
Originally posted by KingD19
We don't need proof. We have Alice, a master of her own powers words. She says she can't see shapeshifters and hybrids because she has no experience being a shapeshifter or a hybrid. But since she is a vampire and was a human, then her powers work on them.That means since she's never been a God, she wouldn't be able to see Gods. Why would that apply to just them and not everything else? She shouldn't be able to see Children of the Moon(True Twilight Werewolves), or Gods, or anything else not human or Vampire because she herself said that was what she was limited to.
And we've already pointed out how the others powers won't help much.
You're speculating. There is no proof to back up your claims.
It's not speculation. It's what Alice herself said. If she can't work her mojo on wolf spirit shapeshifters and vamp hybrids because she herself stated her powers don't work on beings she has no experience living as, why would she be able to precog on beings who don't even exist on her world? Beings she has never experienced existing as. You need to put your bias aside and realize I'm not speculating, you're just reaching so the vampires can win.
Originally posted by KingD19
It's not speculation. It's what Alice herself said. If she can't work her mojo on wolf spirit shapeshifters and vamp hybrids because she herself stated her powers don't work on beings she has no experience living as, why would she be able to precog on beings who don't even exist on her world? Beings she has never experienced existing as. You need to put your bias aside and realize I'm not speculating, you're just reaching so the vampires can win.
He tries to exploit the weakest parts of characters powers then tries to apply it to all characters he's arguing for and some how try to make it their most powerful asset.
Typical from a spleen.
Originally posted by KingD19
It's not speculation. It's what Alice herself said. If she can't work her mojo on wolf spirit shapeshifters and vamp hybrids because she herself stated her powers don't work on beings she has no experience living as, why would she be able to precog on beings who don't even exist on her world? Beings she has never experienced existing as. You need to put your bias aside and realize I'm not speculating, you're just reaching so the vampires can win.
Reaching? You did see the final fight scene of the Twilight films, yes?
Originally posted by The Spleen
Also, in the final fight scene in Immortals, the Gods were being stabbed and were bleeding by the Titans, who are far slower and not as strong as the Twivamps.Just saying.
No the fight was the same speed as when Ares went up against the humans, they were all fighting in super speed. The fight was fimled in slow motion to show the super speed. Quit downplaying feats.
Originally posted by KingD19
Oh yeah, how could I forget about Alice. Her precog will win the day except...well it won't. She clearly states she can't use it on the shapeshifters or Renesmee because she has no experience being a shapeshifter or a human/vampire hybrid. She can see vampires because she is one, and she can see humans because she was one. Since she's never been a God, stands to reason her power won't work on them either.
Logical reason ftw.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No the fight was the same speed as when Ares went up against the humans, they were all fighting in super speed. The fight was fimled in slow motion to show the super speed. Quit downplaying feats.
Exactly. If you compare how humans move and reacted to the vampires vs how they reacted to Ares... The gods are so much father than the camps it's ridiculous.
Originally posted by KingD19
Exactly. If you compare how humans move and reacted to the vampires vs how they reacted to Ares... The gods are so much father than the camps it's ridiculous.
Exactly I would say super peed was on par and filmed similar to from Smallville. He could move around people like they were standing still, moving so fast in essence stopping time due to such a unreal speed displayed.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialWhat am I downplaying? The Twivamps are faster than the Gods, there's no disputing that. The Twivamps are WAY more durable also. Given the fact that they are strong enough to rip apart vampires that are granite tough, they are stronger.
No the fight was the same speed as when Ares went up against the humans, they were all fighting in super speed. The fight was fimled in slow motion to show the super speed. Quit downplaying feats.
So, faster, stronger and more durable. Add on their powers and they have a huge advantage here.
Did you even see Immortals?
If you think the Twi-Vamps are faster after watching that vid, then you're clearly biased. Ares was moving so fast people were pretty much standing still. No vampire has ever moved that fast.
Also, they're "granite" tough, well Zeus casually knocked Ares through several feet of granite with so much force that he was obliterated. Also Ares was whacking people hard enough that their heads/torso's exploded on impact. Again, no vamp has ever hit a person that hard, or another vamp for that matter.
Originally posted by KingD19
Did you even see Immortals?If you think the Twi-Vamps are faster after watching that vid, then you're clearly biased. Ares was moving so fast people were pretty much standing still. No vampire has ever moved that fast.
Also, they're "granite" tough, well Zeus casually knocked Ares through several feet of granite with so much force that he was obliterated. Also Ares was whacking people hard enough that their heads/torso's exploded on impact. Again, no vamp has ever hit a person that hard, or another vamp for that matter.
O'rly? Observe:
Edward just did ✅
Now, let's talk durability. Picture this: Zeus and Edward stand side by side. 10 feet way is Rambo with an AK47. Rambo empties a full clip into Zeus, then an entire clip into Edward. What is the result?
Originally posted by The Spleen
O'rly? Observe:Edward just did ✅
Now, let's talk durability. Picture this: Zeus and Edward stand side by side. 10 feet way is Rambo with an AK47. Rambo empties a full clip into Zeus, then an entire clip into Edward. What is the result?
Too bad you are a spleen and not a brain, other wise you would have noticed that Aro even stated that human technology is getting to a point that they pose a threat to Vampires. Have Gods ever had to worry about this?
Originally posted by The Spleen
O'rly? Observe:Edward just did ✅
Now, let's talk durability. Picture this: Zeus and Edward stand side by side. 10 feet way is Rambo with an AK47. Rambo empties a full clip into Zeus, then an entire clip into Edward. What is the result?
Considering humans are standing still to Gods, if he wanted he could probably dodge or possibly even pick bullets out of flight. But also considering the durability the God's showed(smacking into the ocean from the top of Olympus, etc..) and that it took Titans to hurt them well he could potentially tank the bullets too.
But onto the fight between Felix and Edward. It's one of my favorite fight scenes in the series, but if you notice Bella is pretty much following the entire fight, even when they blur around she sees what's going on. Ares was moving so fast that people were literally in ultra slow motion trying to react. He killed 9 people in the time it took for one guy to fly across that small room. And judging from the way he was moving, he was taking his time and showing off, he probably could have done it faster.
Yep. In that same video he posted, Felix whose special power like Emmett is just greater strength than a normal vampire, is fighting a weakened Edward, and the greatest thing he does is crack some steps and the floor. Zeus whipped Ares through several feet of solid stone. And we never saw him again.