Orion vs WWH

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion unleashed is pretty beastly. Owned Darkseid and repelled the JLA just by powering up. This won't be an easy fight for Hulk.

Darkseid was also owned by Doomsday. I didn't once see Darkseid or Doomsday exhibit the kind of strength that it would take to force a planet larger than the Earth from exploding. It takes more force to blow a planet to bits, than it does to move it. He out muscled the explosion. Orion, Doomsday, and Darkseid are not on this level of strength. Orion would fight the Hulk like he fights everyone, he would get up in his face, and brawl it out. This of course would lead to him being beaten down severely.

Then Hulk was weakened when he held planet Sakaar together.

Originally posted by Stoic
Darkseid was also owned by Doomsday. I didn't once see Darkseid or Doomsday exhibit the kind of strength that it would take to force a planet larger than the Earth from exploding. It takes more force to blow a planet to bits, than it does to move it. He out muscled the explosion. Orion, Doomsday, and Darkseid are not on this level of strength. Orion would fight the Hulk like he fights everyone, he would get up in his face, and brawl it out. This of course would lead to him being beaten down severely.

Orion has the Astro Force. He's used it against Superman and other bricks,

Originally posted by carver9
Then Hulk was weakened when he held planet Sakaar together.

I don't think he was at that point, didn't he recover from the wormhole entry long before he saved the planet from destruction?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has the Astro Force. He's used it against Superman and other bricks,

He can have whatever he wants to have, that's not going to stop the Hulk from jumping on him and beating him into a coma. The Hulk is fast enough, and strong enough to turn Orion out if he becomes serious.

Originally posted by Stoic
He can have whatever he wants to have, that's not going to stop the Hulk from jumping on him and beating him into a coma. The Hulk is fast enough, and strong enough to turn Orion out if he becomes serious.

LOL! Like Orion will just sit there. His Mother Box allows him to turn intangible and invisible. Not to mention super speed. If Orion uses his powers to it's fullest, Hulk stands no chance.

Originally posted by Golgo13
LOL! Like Orion will just sit there. His Mother Box allows him to turn intangible and invisible. Not to mention super speed. If Orion uses his powers to it's fullest, Hulk stands no chance.

The Hulk has grabbed the intangible before you know, we both also know that Orion does not fight the way that you're suggesting that he would here. He's a brawler like Wolverine. He loves to get in a do battle like a warrior born... This is why he would be soundly beaten down. All of these guys have super speed, the Hulk has super speed as well.

The problem here is that the Hulk can surpass Orion's strength level, this isn't Wonder Man, Terrax, Firelord, Hercules, or Namor that you're talking about here.

He does, but we consider all options as the MB is extremely versatile. I'm still going with Orion here. In HTH, Hulk wins, of course, but depending on who is writing, the Astro Force will be Orion's trump card.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He does, but we consider all options as the MB is extremely versatile. I'm still going with Orion here. In HTH, Hulk wins, of course, but depending on who is writing, the Astro Force will be Orion's trump card.

Based on what? Who on the Hulk's level has the Astro Force one shot KO'd or worse? Do you have any idea how much punishment the Hulk can take, or how much he can dish? Orion may get a shot off, but I don't think that it's going to put the Hulk down. In fact I imagine that he would use it, if he manages to stay awake long enough to use it.

Originally posted by Stoic
I don't think he was at that point, didn't he recover from the wormhole entry long before he saved the planet from destruction?

No...he was weakened by the spores as well. The spores drained him of his power.

Originally posted by carver9
No...he was weakened by the spores as well. The spores drained him of his power.

Not sure I agree with you, he willingly allowed the spores to feed on him later on, and this did nothing to stifle his level of strength. It was the wormhole that drained him, but he recovered from the exposure of it in time. I believe that he was fine at the point when he saved the planet. However this does not matter here. Orion has never shown this kind or strength, and the way that he approaches battle is the exact way that he would play into the Hulk's strengths. The Hulk and Superman are in a class of their own when it comes to the heavy lifting. If we were to compare Orion's best strength feat, or his limit to what the Hulk has done at his best, people would be like "Orion doesn't stand a chance in hell". Of course they would have to become unbiased in order to see it.

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on what? Who on the Hulk's level has the Astro Force one shot KO'd or worse? Do you have any idea how much punishment the Hulk can take, or how much he can dish? Orion may get a shot off, but I don't think that it's going to put the Hulk down. In fact I imagine that he would use it, if he manages to stay awake long enough to use it.

It one shotted Superman, damaged IT when no other one in the League could even dent it, and managed to match universal destroying energies. It's extremely powerful under certain writers.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It one shotted Superman, damaged IT when no other one in the League could even dent it, and managed to match universal destroying energies. It's extremely powerful under certain writers.

The indestructible hulk is being written below WW Hulk's level, and he was able to tank forces that could liquefy adamantium. I don't think that one shot would be nearly enough, and in a far weaker state Merged Hulk was able to survive getting 80% or more of his flesh repelled from his body. So we can both go the route of it depends on the writer. Would orion be able to survive on his own without a mother box, if his heart was pulled out? the far weaker Grey Hulk did. people don't realize just how powerful WW Hulk was in terms of physical might. Again what we saw in HOTM was what the Hulk could have become at any time during WW Hulk, it states it on panel that he was holding back the entire time.

Don't get me wrong, Orion is powerful, but he isn't going to beat WW Hulk for a majority. Not when we all know how Orion would approach the fight. He could BFR the Hulk for the win, but up close which is what the Hulk would force on him, he would lose.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not sure I agree with you, he willingly allowed the spores to feed on him later on, and this did nothing to stifle his level of strength. It was the wormhole that drained him, but he recovered from the exposure of it in time. I believe that he was fine at the point when he saved the planet. However this does not matter here. Orion has never shown this kind or strength, and the way that he approaches battle is the exact way that he would play into the Hulk's strengths. The Hulk and Superman are in a class of their own when it comes to the heavy lifting. If we were to compare Orion's best strength feat, or his limit to what the Hulk has done at his best, people would be like "Orion doesn't stand a chance in hell". Of course they would have to become unbiased in order to see it.

It wasn't just the worm hole though. He was weakened from the disc as well and this was stated on panel. Then while still not powered up, he was still weakened by the spores as well and we never received conformation that he got his strength back until he received a power up from the bomb. How about this. This scan confirm everything that I am saying.

"Two things to think about when Hulk got injured on SKAAR". He was weakened...".

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media-full/Hulk/sakaarstrength.jpg.html

That scan ends this debate. He didn't get his power back until the end.

Originally posted by Stoic
The indestructible hulk is being written below WW Hulk's level, and he was able to tank forces that could liquefy adamantium. I don't think that one shot would be nearly enough, and in a far weaker state Merged Hulk was able to survive getting 80% or more of his flesh repelled from his body. So we can both go the route of it depends on the writer. Would orion be able to survive on his own without a mother box, if his heart was pulled out? the far weaker Grey Hulk did. people don't realize just how powerful WW Hulk was in terms of physical might. Again what we saw in HOTM was what the Hulk could have become at any time during WW Hulk, it states it on panel that he was holding back the entire time.

Don't get me wrong, Orion is powerful, but he isn't going to beat WW Hulk for a majority. Not when we all know how Orion would approach the fight. He could BFR the Hulk for the win, but up close which is what the Hulk would force on him, he would lose.

I didn't say Orion would one-shot Hulk. A few blasts of the Astro Force should work.

Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't just the worm hole though. He was weakened from the disc as well and this was stated on panel. Then while still not powered up, he was still weakened by the spores as well and we never received conformation that he got his strength back until he received a power up from the bomb. How about this. This scan confirm everything that I am saying.

"Two things to think about when Hulk got injured on SKAAR". He was weakened...".

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media-full/Hulk/sakaarstrength.jpg.html

That scan ends this debate. He didn't get his power back until the end.

LOL. Carver you should re-read the column. It says nothing about the spores, but only says that the "Great Portal that the Shadow People created weakens him".

Originally posted by Stoic
LOL. Carver you should re-read the column. It says nothing about the spores, but only says that the "Great Portal that the Shadow People created weakens him".

The spores was stated on panel as weakening him along with the disc. He didn't heal from the disc until the end as well. The scan is just icing on the cake since it is saying that be was weakened during planet Hulk.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I didn't say Orion would one-shot Hulk. A few blasts of the Astro Force should work.

Do you have any idea of how fast the Hulk can cover a distance? How fast he runs, and could dodge only to leap right at Orion, who doesn't usually go in firing, but instead usually goes for the brawl. Could he KO the Hulk if he fought in this uncharacteristic way of floating 2000 ft above ground taking shots at Hulk, while the Hulk just stands in one spot and allows it to happen? Sure why not.

Orion has plenty of times. And he's faster than Hulk to boot. He was almost keeping up with the Black Racer once and he was going slightly below the speed of light.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has plenty of times. And he's faster than Hulk to boot. He was almost keeping up with the Black Racer once and he was going slightly below the speed of light.

The Hulk beat the hell out of Gladiator (nearly to death) who happens to be faster than Orion though. The Hulk was also dying when he did that to Gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
The spores was stated on panel as weakening him along with the disc. He didn't heal from the disc until the end as well. The scan is just icing on the cake since it is saying that be was weakened during planet Hulk.

The slave disks made their hosts compliant Carver. They didn't weaken them, if they did why would they be placed on the arenas seasoned vets? Come on man... LOL. It was the Worm Hole that weakened him. I don't want to have to go back and re-read the entire arc, only to find out that what I am saying is correct. i mean we can always settle on agreeing to disagree like me and Golgo are about to.