Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Then Videl must be stronger than Frieza too considering what she did against Broly and lived. dur
lol, that's true. Chockable as PIS, but it still happened. He said that he wouldn't kill Videl because she was a girl, but it definitely had to be PIS the way that Broly destroyed multiple cities and mountain ranges with a yell, and Videl still kept up with him.
Originally posted by juggerman
Broly never blasted her so no
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
lol, that's true. Chockable as PIS, but it still happened. He said that he wouldn't kill Videl because she was a girl, but it definitely had to be PIS the way that Broly destroyed multiple cities and mountain ranges with a yell, and Videl still kept up with him.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Broly's generally more of a melee type fighter than one who ki blasts a lot, and she still survived some punches/hits from the super saiyan, so Videl clearly > Frieza. 👆.
Absolutely none of Broly's melee hits caused as much damage as his blasts. So again you are wrong but nice try
Also Broly threw Videl twice. Not once did she actually take a real hit or do anything in that fight.
Originally posted by juggerman
Absolutely none of Broly's melee hits caused as much damage as his blasts. So again you are wrong but nice tryAlso Broly threw Videl twice. Not once did she actually take a real hit or do anything in that fight.
One throw which smacked her down to the ground/water which should've at least knocked her out for someone of his power level, but fact remains she kept up with him until Goten and Trunks arrived.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
In all seriousness though, yeah. It was... Not that PIS stops people from constantly bringing up the moment of Vegeta making Bills bleed, etc.
Vegeta didn't make Bills bleed. I don't know why people keep saying that. He made him spit up some saliva when he decked him in the face. That's why Bills casually picked his ear while yawning after tanking Vegeta's strongest attack. Vegeta did better than anyone(other than SSJG Goku, obviously), but he still didn't do SHIT to Bills.
However, yeah, I consider most of the movies with Videl to have a shit ton of PIS. Unless Videl got as strong as Buu during the month it took Hirudegarn to show up, then there's no ****ing conceivable way that she should have been capable of tanking a single hit from him(of which she tanked a few), without being bisected like a frog in a science class. I generally ignore her anyways, so who cares?
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Um...DBZ movies arnt canon...at all....Set in different universes...
manga is true canon....
if your a manga pureist like me...you would know this...
Exactly. They are cannon, but not timeline cannon.
You would know this... if you have common sense like me.
BTW, BOTG's IS cannon, as stated by Akira himself in DOZENS of interviews. 👆
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Depends on the instances you're talking about I guess, though he soloed the Z-fighters repeatedly in the first movie with pretty much melee attacks alone.One throw which smacked her down to the ground/water which should've at least knocked her out for someone of his power level, but fact remains she kept up with him until Goten and Trunks arrived.
Did any of his punches or kick destroy a planet like a casual blast did in the first movie? We've seen no melee hit in all of DBZ that compares to his blasts.
Actually it did KO since she was out of sight until Gohan arrived iirc
Originally posted by juggerman
Did any of his punches or kick destroy a planet like a casual blast did in the first movie? We've seen no melee hit in all of DBZ that compares to his blasts.Actually it did KO since she was out of sight until Gohan arrived iirc
From what I recall she just backed off after the kids started fighting Broly so as to not get in their way, but whatever.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Vegeta didn't make Bills bleed. I don't know why people keep saying that. He made him spit up some saliva when he decked him in the face. That's why Bills casually picked his ear while yawning after tanking Vegeta's strongest attack. Vegeta did better than anyone(other than SSJG Goku, obviously), but he still didn't do SHIT to Bills.However, yeah, I consider most of the movies with Videl to have a shit ton of PIS. Unless Videl got as strong as Buu during the month it took Hirudegarn to show up, then there's no ****ing conceivable way that she should have been capable of tanking a single hit from him(of which she tanked a few), without being bisected like a frog in a science class. I generally ignore her anyways, so who cares?
Pretty much.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Oh, so you're saying basically any of his casual blasts were planet destroying ones? Piccolo deflected one when Broly was about to finish off an unconscious teen Gohan and that didn't destroy the planet they were on, and Goku endured plenty of Broly's blasts even before being given energy from the other Z-fighters. Goku would've been as dead as he was after Cell's self-destruct if those blasts were all planet busting ones. Either inconsistency, or Broly just put more energy into the blast that destroyed the little slaves' home planet.From what I recall she just backed off after the kids started fighting Broly so as to not get in their way, but whatever.
He was midsentence, acquired the energy without strain and fired it without any problem at all. So yeah I'd say it was casual. Just because he didn't blow up the planet he was on doesn't mean it wasn't a casual blast. But even barring that one, not one of his punches/kick caused as much damage as the blast Piccolo deflected, or the ki he expelled he was getting stronger after he KO'd everybody before Piccolo arrived. Or even the one Gohan deflected and then used a shield to protect everybody and still took damage. Any way you slice it his melee is not a strong as his ki blasts. Period.
No he tossed he and then she was just missing until the end where she threw a crystal at him
Originally posted by juggerman
He was midsentence, acquired the energy without strain and fired it without any problem at all. So yeah I'd say it was casual. Just because he didn't blow up the planet he was on doesn't mean it wasn't a casual blast. But even barring that one, not one of his punches/kick caused as much damage as the blast Piccolo deflected, or the ki he expelled he was getting stronger after he KO'd everybody before Piccolo arrived. Or even the one Gohan deflected and then used a shield to protect everybody and still took damage. Any way you slice it his melee is not a strong as his ki blasts. Period.No he tossed he and then she was just missing until the end where she threw a crystal at him
I think you guys are a little confused.
First off, DBZ characters can punch just as hard as their blasts can hit someone. The only difference is that their blasts use condensed ki which resonates extreme heat, so that they can have a more dangerous attack that can destroy their opponent instead of just breaking their bones. I mean, could Gohan have vaporized Cell with his fist, or did he need a kamehameha wave with galaxy level force, and heat that makes a gamma ray burst look like a night in Alaska?
Lastly, and this point is mostly directed to Ridley, ki blasts are not all the same level of potency. Think about it, master roshi blew up the moon with a single kamehameha wave, yet, kid Goku slamming one into the ground didn't even destroy a city? The simple reason is that they condense their blasts to have more potency. I mean, think about it. What would do more damage? Shooting a bottle rocket at someone, or shooting them with a 50 caliber sniper rifle? I mean sure, when they want to, they can go around blowing up universes and galaxies like Janemba and Kid Buu, but when fighting someone, they condense that same amount of power so the damage only hits whoever they fire it at, or at least that small of an area. That's exactly why Kid Buu's blast destroyed earth, but Bills's didn't. Or why Frieza pointing at a planet could bust it, but Buu shooting a kamehameha wave that misfired didn't.
The power is in the potency of blasts, not AOE. That's why Broly could casually chuck a planet busting attack like it was nothing. To him, it wasn't, considering that he had been throwing around blasts with solar system+ potency all day.