Darth Sidious vs. Voldemort

Originally posted by Psychotron
And in agreeing that Palpatine's Force powers are so effective you admit they'd wreck Voldemort. GG. Precog works, but Sidious was arrogant due to his massive victory over the Jedi, not a factor here.

Lel, Sidious has feats of completely immobilizing powerful opponents, Voldy is toast.

He was destined to die at Vader's hands, hence no precog from the Force. Sidious won the one on one with Yoda so it doesn't matter.

And Voldemort lived on some loser's head like a lowly parasite, you tell me who's truly pathetic. Because while Voldemort was living like a botfly, Sidious was ruling the galaxy and orchestrating the fall of his enemies.

Again, arrogance and Vader's destiny. And it's not like that move didn't cost Vader his life.

Nah, just amused by the silly asspulls Voldemort needs to win this.

Sidious has not defeated his opponents with Tk and can have it used against him like in Yoda's case aka force push. Voldemort can possess his body, cut him by waving his wand, fireballs, kill curse, torture curse, energy blast, flight, tk, and teleportation. 🙂

Voldemort came back to power unlike Sidious who just died. Shame. Sidious orchestrated his own downfall by torturing Luke in front of his father.

Vader still killed him and rather easily. Palpatine provided the means for Vader to do so and motivated him to turn. Such a dummy.

One spell and SIDS dies.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, quit twisting my words. This powers were effective against Yoda. You said they were not but they clearly were thus decimating your error. Precog did not see Yoda tossing the pod back at him or the force blast sending them both backward. Precog did not see Windu kicking his saber out from him. Precog also did not see Vader killing him or Luke failing to turn. Evidence. You suck at this.

Sidious has not defeated his opponents with Tk and can have it used against him like in Yoda's case aka force push. Voldemort can possess his body, cut him by waving his wand, fireballs, kill curse, torture curse, energy blast, flight, tk, and teleportation. 🙂

Voldemort came back to power unlike Sidious who just died. Shame. Sidious orchestrated his own downfall by torturing Luke in front of his father.

Vader still killed him and rather easily. Palpatine provided the means for Vader to do so and motivated him to turn. Such a dummy.

One spell and SIDS dies.

😂

You're literally one of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life. So I you watch me miss 7 Free throws does that mean I never make any? Of course not. Sids not knowing Vader would turn or other instances doesn't mean he doesn't have PreCog. Only a clownshoes would try and make that his stance.

He can't do ANY of those things because he's either being ragdolled around the room with utter ease as soon as the fight starts or he's TP right from the start. You haven't shown ONE instance of Voldy resisting TP. Thus, by your logic he can't. Thus Sids wins. All those things you listed would never happen because Sids would get off first and crush him with ease.

Sidious didn't just die though you moron... He still lived. That was just one of many bodies Sids has used as a vessel. If you know anything about Star Wars you'd know that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're literally one of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life. So I you watch me miss 7 Free throws does that mean I never make any? Of course not. Sids not knowing Vader would turn or other instances doesn't mean he doesn't have PreCog. Only a clownshoes would try and make that his stance.

He can't do ANY of those things because he's either being ragdolled around the room with utter ease as soon as the fight starts or he's TP right from the start. You haven't shown ONE instance of Voldy resisting TP. Thus, by your logic he can't. Thus Sids wins. All those things you listed would never happen because Sids would get off first and crush him with ease.

Sidious didn't just die though you moron... He still lived. That was just one of many bodies Sids has used as a vessel. If you know anything about Star Wars you'd know that.

Post proof of the claims. Otherwise it is baseless. The only guy rag dolled by Tk when Yoda met Palpatine was Palpatine. 😂

You have not shown one instance of Palpatine resisting TK. I can show a clip of tk launching Palpatine. Show me a clip of tk getting the better of Voldemort ? You can't. No evidence yet there is evidence of Palpatine being tk'd.

😂

Eu is not canon, dummy. I had to inform you of that. You're ignorant, lanky, stupid, and probably have body odor.

False.. I've proven Sids has TK.. I've proved he has faster reactions than Voldy.. Thus he'll get off first

So either show once instance of Voldy having the reaction feats that Sids does or else this debate is over.. Sids wins.

About the EU: It WAS canon, until Disney bought everything. The only reason it's not today is because Mickey Mouse said so. I guess Mickey Mouse didn't have Tim Zahn's permission to make a Thrawn Trilogy. Pity.

However, Sidious does not need his Dark Empire feats to crush Voldemort. His ROTS and ROTJ showings are enough. Dark Empire just makes Voldemort cry in his beer.

>Voldemort
>being able to drink beer

Pick one

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, quit twisting my words. This powers were effective against Yoda. You said they were not but they clearly were thus decimating your error. Precog did not see Yoda tossing the pod back at him or the force blast sending them both backward. Precog did not see Windu kicking his saber out from him. Precog also did not see Vader killing him or Luke failing to turn. Evidence. You suck at this.

Sidious has not defeated his opponents with Tk and can have it used against him like in Yoda's case aka force push. Voldemort can possess his body, cut him by waving his wand, fireballs, kill curse, torture curse, energy blast, flight, tk, and teleportation. 🙂

Voldemort came back to power unlike Sidious who just died. Shame. Sidious orchestrated his own downfall by torturing Luke in front of his father.

Vader still killed him and rather easily. Palpatine provided the means for Vader to do so and motivated him to turn. Such a dummy.

One spell and SIDS dies.

😂

Twisting words is your territory, quan, I simply use facts. I never said Sidious' powers weren't effective against Yoda, I said that he could absorb them to some degree, though not for very long, and that Yoda prevented Sidious from using them by tieing him up in a saber duel. Precog works just fine but Sidious is an arrogant bastard and ignored it due to overconfidence in those moments.

He disabled Savage and Maul, both of whom are above most Jedi, with a single TK attack. It doesn't matter what Voldemort can potentially do if he doesn't get the chance to do it. Voldemort simply has no counter for Palpatine's superior speed and reflexes.

Came back to power? He was never in power to begin with. LOL. He's just some wizard terrorist who got blown the f*ck out by a soccer mom first, and then my her kid. Sidious destroyed his sworn enemies and ruled the galaxy for decases, Voldemort is gnat before him.

Do I even have to point out how much context there was in that scene?

Good thing Sidious is faster. One jolt of TK or lightning and Voldemort is done.

Alright fine. DE makes Voldemort cry on his Horcruxes.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False.. I've proven Sids has TK.. I've proved he has faster reactions than Voldy.. Thus he'll get off first

So either show once instance of Voldy having the reaction feats that Sids does or else this debate is over.. Sids wins.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8cL527bg0II

1:53. Slashes his wand and tears through flesh by moving his wand.

Cry.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Twisting words is your territory, quan, I simply use facts. I never said Sidious' powers weren't effective against Yoda, I said that he could absorb them to some degree, though not for very long, and that Yoda prevented Sidious from using them by tieing him up in a saber duel. Precog works just fine but Sidious is an arrogant bastard and ignored it due to overconfidence in those moments.

He disabled Savage and Maul, both of whom are above most Jedi, with a single TK attack. It doesn't matter what Voldemort can potentially do if he doesn't get the chance to do it. Voldemort simply has no counter for Palpatine's superior speed and reflexes.

Came back to power? He was never in power to begin with. LOL. He's just some wizard terrorist who got blown the f*ck out by a soccer mom first, and then my her kid. Sidious destroyed his sworn enemies and ruled the galaxy for decases, Voldemort is gnat before him.

Do I even have to point out how much context there was in that scene?

Good thing Sidious is faster. One jolt of TK or lightning and Voldemort is done.

Palpatine does not have superior reflexes, etc. He is a swordsman with some powers but he isn't used to someone with the wide array of powers Voldemort brings to the table. Voldemort can and has disarmed someone with tk. Boom.

Voldemort sacked the ministry and was the leader of the wizarding world with the rebels being those who supported Potter. Voldemprt was most certainly in power. You're a moron.

Who has Sids beat with Tk ? Give me an example. You just keep chirping.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that is incorrect as Sidious used his force powers to briefly ko him at the start of the fight. Palpatine also moved multiple pods and used his force lightning again at the end disarming Yoda. The reason SIDS wins is due to his force powers not his saber.

Palpatine does not have superior reflexes, etc. He is a swordsman with some powers but he isn't used to someone with the wide array of powers Voldemort brings to the table. Voldemort can and has disarmed someone with tk. Boom.

Voldemort sacked the ministry and was the leader of the wizarding world with the rebels being those who supported Potter. Voldemprt was most certainly in power. You're a moron.

Who has Sids beat with Tk ? Give me an example. You just keep chirping.

No, that was before the fight. When Palpatine threw the pods he was away from Yoda, he couldn't do that while Yoda had him locked in a saber duel.

Yes, he does. His fights are much faster than anything Voldemort has experienced. Sidious can and has disabled someone with tk. Click click boom.

His power was miniscule compared to Sidious. He ruled a single ministy, big deal. Sidious was the grand chancellor of a galaxy before his plan was even completed, and by the end he was the emperor of a galactic empire.

Maul and Savage, he had them completely disabled.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, that was before the fight. When Palpatine threw the pods he was away from Yoda, he couldn't do that while Yoda had him locked in a saber duel.

Yes, he does. His fights are much faster than anything Voldemort has experienced. Sidious can and has disabled someone with tk. Click click boom.

His power was miniscule compared to Sidious. He ruled a single ministy, big deal. Sidious was the grand chancellor of a galaxy before his plan was even completed, and by the end he was the emperor of a galactic empire.

Maul and Savage, he had them completely disabled.

Based off what ? Who has Sids disabled with tk ?

Sidious had more troops and lied to everyone. Voldemort ruled through sheer force of will. Palpatine had everyone fooled save the jedi who knew.

False. Maul took him on and Sids won but he was inferior to Palpatine. Voldemort took on a peer with the most powerful wand in existence. Voldemort destroys the geriatric easier than Vader did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the Lightning toss started the fight. Yoda was bad. When Yoda closed he used force lightning. That worked. Feel the sting.

Based off what ? Who has Sids disabled with tk ?

Sidious had more troops and lied to everyone. Voldemort ruled through sheer force of will. Palpatine had everyone fooled save the jedi who knew.

False. Maul took him on and Sids won but he was inferior to Palpatine. Voldemort took on a peer with the most powerful wand in existence. Voldemort destroys the geriatric easier than Vader did.

No, it didn't. Remember that Sidious let Yoda get up. Also, Yoda was unprepared for it. No, he used Force lightning to prevent Yoda from completely closing the distance, Sidious was disarmed at that point and had to keep Yoda at bay.

Maul and Savage, but you already know that.

Yes, and how did Sidious get those troops? Oh, yeah. He masterminded a plot to create them and put himself in control. Voldemort wished he could come up with something like that. That Sidious was able to fool the Jedi's clairvoyance is a feat in his favor.

Maul took him on only after Sidious let them go, they were completely helpless before that. And throughout the fight he showed that he could rag doll them whenever he wanted. Voldemort gets dropped before he has time to even think of a spell.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, it didn't. Remember that Sidious let Yoda get up. Also, Yoda was unprepared for it. No, he used Force lightning to prevent Yoda from completely closing the distance, Sidious was disarmed at that point and had to keep Yoda at bay.

Maul and Savage, but you already know that.

Yes, and how did Sidious get those troops? Oh, yeah. He masterminded a plot to create them and put himself in control. Voldemort wished he could come up with something like that. That Sidious was able to fool the Jedi's clairvoyance is a feat in his favor.

Maul took him on only after Sidious let them go, they were completely helpless before that. And throughout the fight he showed that he could rag doll them whenever he wanted. Voldemort gets dropped before he has time to even think of a spell.

He defeated them with his saber not tk. So I ask again ?

Voldemort is not the cowardly type and ruled through intimidation. Sidious ruled by being a two faced politician who kept his true intentions always hidden. I respect someone who stands tall in what he is. You like a sneaky, two faced liar.

False. Sidious called maul a rival. His own words. Maul took him on. Maul was not in his weight class and it was a fair fight. Based on ? We already have proof of Palpatine allowing his opponent to recover so I have no earthly idea where you come up with this shit because you are ignoring the films.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious is stupid and allows his opponents time to recover. I agree he's rather stupid. Yoda was unprepared and dumb despite Precog and the fact Sidious was very slow and obvious about attacking. These are not sharp wizards but rather weak Sith and jedi.

He defeated them with his saber not tk. So I ask again ?

Voldemort is not the cowardly type and ruled through intimidation. Sidious ruled by being a two faced politician who kept his true intentions always hidden. I respect someone who stands tall in what he is. You like a sneaky, two faced liar.

False. Sidious called maul a rival. His own words. Maul took him on. Maul was not in his weight class and it was a fair fight. Based on ? We already have proof of Palpatine allowing his opponent to recover so I have no earthly idea where you come up with this shit because you are ignoring the films.

Arrogance =/= stupidity. Voldemort is arrogant too, if he had killed Harry's mum quickly instead of f*cking around he wouldn't have gotten himself in that dumb situation. The Force > magic.

Maybe you should rewatch the fight.

Voldemort didn't rule at all. He is a second-rate hasbeen, and he is far more cowardly than Sidious. Must I remind you of the time when he lived on the back of another guy's head? Even worms have more dignity than that. I respect a man who brought an entire galaxy to it's knees and defeated his ancient rivals.

Bullshit. Maul and Savage failed to break free from Sidious' tk attack, he let them go to toy with them. Maul was Palpatine's rival in the sense that he was breaking the Rule of Two by taking on his own apprentice, and he had to be eliminated, he was never a match for Sidious in combat. And we've already seen Voldemort screwing around, however Sidious has no reason not to Force rape Voldemort as soon as the fight starts.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False.. I've proven Sids has TK.. I've proved he has faster reactions than Voldy.. Thus he'll get off first

So either show once instance of Voldy having the reaction feats that Sids does or else this debate is over.. Sids wins.

How could it not proven that Sidious does not have TK.

TK is one of the primary usage of the force and most basic principles that is applied. Its literally one of the first things a jedi/sith learns.

LoL, some people just love to ignore facts that sodomize their fanboyisms

Anyhow, here's Sidious using Force TK to choke-torture (@ 00:30) a couple Madalorians and then throwing and pinning down (@ 01.46) two other powerful Force-users with contemptuous ease

Other times TK is used in some fashion:

-Force-pull @ 02:22

-Appears to be a Force-kick @ 02:42

-Force-slam @ 02:45

-Force-throw @ 03:14

-Force-jump @ 03:54

-Force-kick @ 04:07

-Force-lift/slam/rag-dolling his opponent @ 04:26

YouTube video

So by not being complete imbeciles, we can easily conclude that Sidious not only uses TK in his fights, but to directly take down his opponents as well. Checkmate

Originally posted by Psychotron
Arrogance =/= stupidity. Voldemort is arrogant too, if he had killed Harry's mum quickly instead of f*cking around he wouldn't have gotten himself in that dumb situation. The Force > magic.

Maybe you should rewatch the fight.

Voldemort didn't rule at all. He is a second-rate hasbeen, and he is far more cowardly than Sidious. Must I remind you of the time when he lived on the back of another guy's head? Even worms have more dignity than that. I respect a man who brought an entire galaxy to it's knees and defeated his ancient rivals.

Bullshit. Maul and Savage failed to break free from Sidious' tk attack, he let them go to toy with them. Maul was Palpatine's rival in the sense that he was breaking the Rule of Two by taking on his own apprentice, and he had to be eliminated, he was never a match for Sidious in combat. And we've already seen Voldemort screwing around, however Sidious has no reason not to Force rape Voldemort as soon as the fight starts.

Not at all. The force is not Palpatine. He has a connection to it. Voldemort wields Magic. The magic he wields is far more powerful, versatile, and functional than force abilities.

Irony.

He did rule. That is why we see him overtake and implement his own men at hogwarts and the Ministry of magic. He did what he had to come back. Palpatine died by his own man. Hip tossed his ass right off the edge.

We did not see Palpatine defeat them through Tk. You can pretend he did but he didn't. Palpatine only beat fodder after sneaking up on them ala Cheapshots through TK. It is like yoda tk Koing the red imperial guards. Who cares ??

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was not there for her. She died anyways but he came back anyways too.

Not at all. The force is not Palpatine. He has a connection to it. Voldemort wields Magic. The magic he wields is far more powerful, versatile, and functional than force abilities.

Irony.

He did rule. That is why we see him overtake and implement his own men at hogwarts and the Ministry of magic. He did what he had to come back. Palpatine died by his own man. Hip tossed his ass right off the edge.

We did not see Palpatine defeat them through Tk. You can pretend he did but he didn't. Palpatine only beat fodder after sneaking up on them ala Cheapshots through TK. It is like yoda tk Koing the red imperial guards. Who cares ??

And yet, he allowed her to ruin his plans simply because he didn't kill her quickly. He didn't come back under his own power, he needed help.

Versatile, maybe, definitely not more powerful.

No, truth. You seem woefully ignorant of what happened.

That's not ruling. He needed to place people loyal to himself in the top spots, because no one would follow him otherwise. He had to rule through puppets, unlike Sidious who ruled with his face out in the open. At least Palpatine was killed by a badass, not a pansy student.

No, we clearly see them pinned helpless against the wall, then we see Sidious drop them while laughing. He had them at his mercy, and that wasn't a cheap shot either. They're Force users with powerful TK of their own, and they couldn't break free. Same thing will happen to Voldemort.