Originally posted by Astner
So has Spider-man and the Hulk, but neither of them are considered light-speedsters.
Except Thor has speed feats that make light look like its going in slow motion. Thor isn't being pulled by that hammer at speeds so incredibly he can't perceive where he's going, he has to be able to decide when to stop, where to go, etc.
Originally posted by ares834
And he claims to be slower than Wolverine and has trouble hitting Quicksilver...Lets not pretend Thor is a speedster.
Which he obviously isn't and his basic little lightning bolt is what has trouble hitting quicksilver. He moved so fast quicksilver wasn't able to react to the shockwave of his slam after that.
He's not in the sense that flash is, but he's able to move very very fast with Mjolnir.
Originally posted by StealthRangerWell, it should be accepted because it's pretty much common sense that travelling speed =/= fighting speed. This is clearly true in fiction as well since you very rarely see non-speedster herald level (Thor, Surfer, Nova, etc.) characters fight at FTL, but you do see them travel at such speeds very often. Flying at FTL =/= throwing punches, blasts, kicks, or any other offensive/defensive thing during a fight.
Ugh, I am not doing the "combat speed" shitThat's been done to death and is not accepted anywhere. Like, at all
Except besides narrations that say shit like "1000 punches per second", "punched at lightspeed" or "punched a guy in a microsecond", there's no indication of how fast a fight actually is
Reason why character speeds are based off notable speed feats, not fights, and why the "combat speed" retardation is invalid :distracted
But to take a page from that book, can you prove DBZ characters fight at the same speed that they travel at?
*que the whole lack of quantification and "oh they leave afterimages so we know they're fast or using speed feats to quantify DBZ chars yet denying the same precendents for comic chars*
Originally posted by TheTyrant
And Goku can? Let's see the scans.And I take back what I said earlier. Goku stops at Thanos since his speed has been reduced.
Watch BOTG's.
Whiss stated that Bills can destroy "Quadrants of the universe" just by getting angry. A quadrant of the universe, in case you didn't know, is a fourth of the universe.
SSJG Goku was completely equal to 70% full power Bills.
SSJG Goku can destroy quadrants, or at least a few hundred million galaxies by just getting angry.
Not even Rune king Thor can do that.
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Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
you think hulk would just sit there and let him charge an attack like that? c'mon
From Goku's POV, yes, considering that Goku moves so much faster than any non-universal abstract character in marvel/DC other than Flash, that Hulk would be dead before he even knew his head was vaporized.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Which he obviously isn't and his basic little lightning bolt is what has trouble hitting quicksilver. He moved so fast quicksilver wasn't able to react to the shockwave of his slam after that.He's not in the sense that flash is, but he's able to move very very fast with Mjolnir.
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Which is why Thor resorted to an AoE attack rather than just initially hit Quicksilver directly amirite?
Not to mention his two showings against Mongoose, or Captain America's training regime (it was Masterson Thor but Cap says his predecessor had trouble with it as well), etc...
Sure he can move fast (and he has a handful of super speed feats) but in general he isn't extremely quick. Certainly not to the level of DBZ characters.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaThat was a translation error. He actually said solar system.
Watch BOTG's.Whiss stated that Bills can destroy "Quadrants of the universe" just by getting angry. A quadrant of the universe, in case you didn't know, is a fourth of the universe.
Originally posted by Kanzenshuu
In one of the previews, Kuririn says the Earth is in danger, and Piccolo responds by saying the entire galaxy (ginga in Japanese) is going to be wiped out. However, this dialogue is not part of the actual movie.But Whis does say at one point in the movie that if Beers is angered, then the entire solar system (taiyou-kei in Japanese) will be wiped out in no time flat.
So to confuse matters, apparently one of the fansubs for the movie floating around mistranslates Whis' line to say that the galaxy will be wiped out, rather than the solar system. This is a rather egregious error, as taiyou-kei translates pretty directly into "solar system": taiyou=sun/solar, and kei=system. Mostly like the translator had a poor grasp of astronomy, and simply considered "solar system" and "galaxy" to be interchangeable terms.
He still shreds anyone here except for Thanos.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Except besides narrations that say shit like "1000 punches per second", "punched at lightspeed" or "punched a guy in a microsecond", there's no indication of how fast a fight actually isReason why character speeds are based off notable speed feats, not fights, and why the "combat speed" retardation is invalid :distracted
But to take a page from that book, can you prove DBZ characters fight at the same speed that they travel at?
*que the whole lack of quantification and "oh they leave afterimages so we know they're fast or using speed feats to quantify DBZ chars yet denying the same precendents for comic chars*
Since their blasts are FTL, they fight at FTL all the time 🙂
Originally posted by StealthRanger
So we're going to conveniently ignore Thor fighting ****ers like Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Gladiator on even terms? As in ****ers who are massively more physically powerful than DBZYeah that's cool :distracted
So are you conveniently ignoring all the times where he hasn't blitzed street-level characters? I'm pretty sure that's happened way more often than Thor fighting or travelling at FTL. Pretty big double standards there homie.
Since their blasts are FTL, they fight at FTL all the time
Scans or it didn't happen, in reference to the FTL blasts, ofc
So are you conveniently ignoring all the times where he hasn't blitzed street-level characters? I'm pretty sure that's happened way more often than Thor fighting or travelling at FTL. Pretty big double standards there homie.
Positive feedback dictates we favor the high end showings over the low end ones for any fictional character
Because low ends will horrendously outnumber the high end ones for any medium :distracted
I suppose according to you Beta Ray Bill with similar abilities and powersets along with ****ers like Surfer and Gladiator can blitz his ass in a straight up fight (nah, shouldn't have said that, you'll prolly just cry 'outlier' I presume?)
Originally posted by StealthRanger Scans or it didn't happen, in reference to the FTL blasts, ofchttp://i36.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/400/dragon-ball-70925.jpg
Hopefully I won't have to explain how that's massively FTL since it traveled more than the earth's radius in an 'instant.'
Note that Goku traveled light years in less than a second using that ability.
Positive feedback dictates we favor the high end showings over the low end ones for any fictional character.Says you or is there a general consensus on this here? Because low-end and high-end feats should be thrown out the window. Why? Because they're low-end and high-end and therefore not how the characters actually perform 99% of the time.
Black Panther putting Silver Surfer is a high-end showing for him as well. So we're going to use that or are you going to call PIS?
Because low ends will horrendously outnumber the high end ones for any mediumExactly what I'm saying; low-end and high-ends are a bad way to gauge a character's powers and capabilities. I'm not saying that we just use low-ends and forget all about the high-ends.
I suppose according to you Beta Ray Bill with similar abilities and powersets along with ****ers like Surfer and Gladiator can blitz his ass in a straight up fight (nah, shouldn't have said that, you'll prolly just cry 'outlier' I presume?)Not at all. Thor has just as many high-end speed feats as they do. Matter of fact, probably more than all of them except for maybe Silver Surfer. He's already bested Silver Surfer on panel anyway.
All that aside, point was that combat speed is different that travel speed. There is a character in One Piece who can literally become light and move as fast as light can. However, he can't FIGHT at light speed and neither can characters who can beat him up. Like how Usain Bolt can run faster than Floyd Mayweather, but can't throw faster jabs. That's how it works and it makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
That was a translation error. He actually said solar system.[quote=Kanzenshuu]In one of the previews, Kuririn says the Earth is in danger, and Piccolo responds by saying the entire galaxy (ginga in Japanese) is going to be wiped out. However, this dialogue is not part of the actual movie.
But Whis does say at one point in the movie that if Beers is angered, then the entire solar system (taiyou-kei in Japanese) will be wiped out in no time flat.
So to confuse matters, apparently one of the fansubs for the movie floating around mistranslates Whis' line to say that the galaxy will be wiped out, rather than the solar system. This is a rather egregious error, as taiyou-kei translates pretty directly into "solar system": taiyou=sun/solar, and kei=system. Mostly like the translator had a poor grasp of astronomy, and simply considered "solar system" and "galaxy" to be interchangeable terms.
He still shreds anyone here except for Thanos.
Since their blasts are FTL, they fight at FTL all the time 🙂
So are you conveniently ignoring all the times where he hasn't blitzed street-level characters? I'm pretty sure that's happened way more often than Thor fighting or travelling at FTL. Pretty big double standards there homie. [/QUOTE]
That was something made up by idiot fangirls to deny the feat. Cell said he could solar system bust. If you watch BOTG's, Whiss CLEARLY says "Uchu no yon", which LITERALLY translates to "fourth of universe".
I don't know where you guys are getting solar system from... Watch the phucking movie again, he clearly says "Uchu no yon".
