Originally posted by StealthRanger
So we're going to conveniently ignore Thor fighting ****ers like Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Gladiator on even terms? As in ****ers who are massively more physically powerful than DBZYeah that's cool :distracted
As in they can universe bust? That's some SERIOUS fan wanking there.
Base Goku takes them all on at once and wins, unless Thanos has the IG.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaUh, no Whis doesn't say that. He clearly says "taiyou-kei" as the source I linked you to states. Check it for yourself if you don't believe me; it's at 51:52 in the version I'm watching on Saiyanplanet.com.
That was something made up by idiot fangirls to deny the feat. Cell said he could solar system bust. If you watch BOTG's, Whiss CLEARLY says "Uchu no yon", which LITERALLY translates to "fourth of universe".I don't know where you guys are getting solar system from... Watch the phucking movie again, he clearly says "Uchu no yon".
Anyway, for canon proof:
Anyway, saying any herald-level character can take even SSJ Goku without some heavy hax is pure wank. Like, Frieza with less than one percent of his full power blew up a ~Neptune/Uranus-sized planet and vaporized millions/billions of planet-busters with one blast. Like I've said before, if Nappa was a villain on either Marvel or DC earth, he'd be huuuuge shit. Seriously, someone who can do this
is NOT going to be fodder on DC or Marvel earth. They would need to send an entire team of heavy-hitters to deal with him.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
http://i36.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/400/dragon-ball-70925.jpg
http://i28.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/400/dragon-ball-70926.jpgHopefully I won't have to explain how that's massively FTL since it traveled more than the earth's radius in an 'instant.'
Note that Goku traveled light years in less than a second using that ability.
Do we have a timeframe for this?
Btw, you'd have to travel the earth's radius 7.5 times in a second to be lightspeed
Says you or is there a general consensus on this here? Because low-end and high-end feats should be thrown out the window. Why? Because they're low-end and high-end and therefore not how the characters actually perform 99% of the time.
No, it's what most debating sites use for many verses across the webs
Stops people from nitpicking low end feats out of the blue
Though at least you admit to low showings being a bad way of gauging a combatant
Black Panther putting Silver Surfer is a high-end showing for him as well. So we're going to use that or are you going to call PIS?
Yes, I'm well aware of outliers chuckles
Exactly what I'm saying; low-end and high-ends are a bad way to gauge a character's powers and capabilities. I'm not saying that we just use low-ends and forget all about the high-ends.
Main issue with this is that characters can become more subjective to varying interpretations over power levels
All that aside, point was that combat speed is different that travel speed. There is a character in One Piece who can literally become light and move as fast as light can. However, he can't FIGHT at light speed and neither can characters who can beat him up. Like how Usain Bolt can run faster than Floyd Mayweather, but can't throw faster jabs. That's how it works and it makes perfect sense.
From what I know of OP, pretty sure he can only go lightspeed in his logia form, which he can't attack in
But those are humans, there's not going to be some gigantic speed gap between them tho
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Uh, no Whis doesn't say that. He clearly says "taiyou-kei" as the source I linked you to states. Check it for yourself if you don't believe me; it's at 51:52 in the version I'm watching on Saiyanplanet.com.Anyway, for canon proof:
Anyway, saying any herald-level character can take even SSJ Goku without some heavy hax is pure wank. Like, Frieza with less than one percent of his full power blew up a ~Neptune/Uranus-sized planet and vaporized millions/billions of planet-busters with one blast. Like I've said before, if Nappa was a villain on either Marvel or DC earth, he'd be huuuuge shit. Seriously, someone who can do this
is NOT going to be fodder on DC or Marvel earth. They would need to send an entire team of heavy-hitters to deal with him.
That's not the part I was talking about. I was referring to the part at 41:03 where he says "Uchu no Yon", which is a quarter of the universe. And I mean that Bills was the one that said it. Whiss says something like "will you destroy Earth?", and Bills says, "No, it'd be best to renew the entire quadrant.".
Yeah though, even Nappa would put up a great fight against any herald level character.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Do we have a timeframe for this?Btw, you'd have to travel the earth's radius 7.5 times in a second to be lightspeed
No, it's what most debating sites use for many verses across the webs
Stops people from nitpicking low end feats out of the blue
Though at least you admit to low showings being a bad way of gauging a combatant
Yes, I'm well aware of outliers chuckles
Main issue with this is that characters can become more subjective to varying interpretations over power levels
From what I know of OP, pretty sure he can only go lightspeed in his logia form, which he can't attack in
But those are humans, there's not going to be some gigantic speed gap between them tho
Why do you always make three fourths of your posts bold? It's retarded.
Either way, I can give you a calc(since I know you appreciate accurate calcs), that proves base Namek Goku to be millions of times FTL.
Originally posted by TheTyrantThe Shunkan Idou is just good old teleportation and not some sort of hyper-fast movement as many of you Dragonball fans want people to believe, this is not how the technique behaves on panel. You can't treat Goku's trip to Earth from New Namek as if he flew all the way between the two points and then get a speed feat from that.
http://i36.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/400/dragon-ball-70925.jpg
http://i28.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/400/dragon-ball-70926.jpgHopefully I won't have to explain how that's massively FTL since it traveled more than the earth's radius in an 'instant.'
Note that Goku traveled light years in less than a second using that ability.
Originally posted by stargun
The Shunkan Idou is just good old teleportation and not some sort of hyper-fast movement as many of you Dragonball fans want people to believe, this is not how the technique behaves on panel. You can't treat Goku's trip to Earth from New Namek as if he flew all the way between the two points and then get a speed feat from that.
Eh, I don't really know any DBZ fans that want to consider that as movement. Vegeta clearly said it wasn't.
Yes though, it's just plain ol' teleportation. Goku still flew around Namek in less time than it took Frieza to punch Vegeta, which can be accurately low-ball calced to a three-millionth of a second. That's a ridiculous speed feat.
