DCnU Superman attacks these characters

With this attack which shattered Phantom Stranger's physical and metaphysical form. Who can survive such an attack?

1. Gladiator
2. Thor
3. Indestructible Hulk
4. Silver Surfer
5. Preboot Superman

For reference, here is an enraged Spectre attacking Phantom Stranger under the same writer.

Also Stranger's physical form took several attacks from Spectre in a battle that was endangering the whole of creation under the same writer J.M Dematteis.

http://i.imgur.com/jT3yaWw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fvy0DlI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nIkCgUF.jpg

God himself had to intervene due to fear that the whole of creation would've paid the price in this battle.

http://i.imgur.com/tCCrey2.jpg

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It doesn't make much sense. The faith of a few million or even billion people vs. a cosmic being of multiversal proportions...

Originally posted by Orrsome28
It doesn't make much sense. The faith of a few million or even billion people vs. a cosmic being of multiversal proportions...

🙂

It states that it was the people's faith that gave Supes the capacity to break PS' form... I can only conclude that without it the strike would have been ineffective. My problem with this scenario is the fact that it implies that their faith in Superman somehow trumps a vastly mystical being such as Phantom Stranger who himself acts as an agent of 'the voice'.

I must admit however, I have not read this issue, so these scans may not provide the whole context. If I in fact misunderstood, please let me know.

As for the question itself...I am unsure.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
It states that it was the people's faith that gave Supes the capacity to break PS' form... I can only conclude that without it the strike would have been ineffective. My problem with this scenario is the fact that it implies that their faith in Superman somehow trumps a vastly mystical being such as Phantom Stranger who himself acts as an agent of 'the voice'.

I must admit however, I have not read this issue, so these scans may not provide the whole context. If I in fact misunderstood, please let me know.

As for the question itself...I am unsure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it was never stated that the strike was due to the psychic energy. All it did was center psychic energy on him which made him an epicenter of supernatural energy which the spirits were using as an anchor to enter this reality. Read the scans carefully.

I'm quite tired at the moment so if I've misunderstood, you have my apologies.

I simply understood it as:

People's faith in Superman = Mass of psychic energy surrounding Superman = Epicenter of supernatural energy = why he could shatter PS' physical and metaphysical form.

If this is not so and I have truly interpreted it wrongly, then it may as well be just a regular strike from Superman which isn't all that impressive.

If I look at it this way, I see no reason why any of those characters listed would have a problem with this sort of attack.

some people are taking everything too literal. the faith was a motivation for superman, he knew people are believing in him. thats what made him find his inner powers to do the crazy stuff he always does in such situations. if someone tells you that the task pushed you to your limits, it does not mean someone with a T Shirt with "Task" on it came and pushed you physically. people should stop taking everything too literal.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
I'm quite tired at the moment so if I've misunderstood, you have my apologies.

I simply understood it as:

People's faith in Superman = Mass of psychic energy surrounding Superman = Epicenter of supernatural energy = why he could shatter PS' physical and metaphysical form.

If this is not so and I have truly interpreted it wrongly, then it may as well be just a regular strike from Superman which isn't all that impressive.

If I look at it this way, I see no reason why any of those characters listed would have a problem with this sort of attack.

Superman shatters an abstract being's physical and metaphysical body with a single attack when ****ing Spectre couldn't do so and its just a regular strike from superman? None of these characters would've a problem with such an attack?

😂

I bet if it was someone like Silver Surfer doing such to an abstract level character, you'd be shouting how impressive it is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, seriously?

Superman shatters an abstract being's physical and metaphysical body with a single attack when ****ing Spectre couldn't do so and its just a regular strike from superman? None of these characters would've a problem with such an attack?

😂

I bet if it was someone like Silver Surfer doing such to an abstract level character, you'd be shouting how impressive it is.

Firstly, I have no investment in Silver Surfer at all.

Now, am I to believe Superman>>>Spectre from this feat? I don't think so. The fact that Superman could and Spectre couldn't says more about the writing than the characters involved.

Lastly, other than destroying PS' form (only to reform later) the attack was pretty standard of Supes... fly really fast into them. That is what appears to be happening after all. So in that regard it isn't that impressive. The power on the other hand, I'll admit, is. Not to say I believe it makes much sense. It looks awesome, makes for alright storytelling but at the end of the day I find it hard to believe. So while you may in fact be in awe of the feat, I remain skeptical. But hey, that's just me.

Oh and JuggernautMania, thanks for that creative picture of 'too literal' you painted for me. I found it amusing. Although, now I'm a little disappointed I won't be seeing that guy, could have been helpful the next time I'm in a situation like that.

Only Pre-Boot superman survives. He did the same thing to soulfire DS. BTW how do you think these two feats stack against each other?

Originally posted by Orrsome28

the attack was pretty standard of Supes... fly really fast into them.

wtf? this has to be one of the dumbest things i got to read. and i myself am not a genius to begin with. you take away from the sheer power that it took to do it because that power came in the form of just flying into someone? were you expecting superman to shoot beams out of his anus in order for you to admit its beyond herald level of power? people will say ANYTHING just to not admit they were wrong.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
wtf? this has to be one of the dumbest things i got to read. and i myself am not a genious to begin with. you take away from the sheer power that it took to do it because that power came in the form of just flying into someone? were you expecting superman to shoot beams out of his anus in order for you to admit its beyond herald level of power? people will say ANYTHING just to not admit they were wrong.

Wow...

How am I wrong? Please explain. For starters I already stated I may have misunderstood the scan, then I went on to concede that the power behind Superman's attack was indeed impressive in my latest post after reflecting on it. I did not however change my stance on the believability of the scenario. Regardless of what you say, I don't believe a 'digging deep' Superman could plausibly do what Spectre apparently couldn't.

You could be less of an ass too. You come across very condescending. I chose to take that last comment of yours in stride but I won't abide this. Also, I'm most certainly no genius either, but far from an idiot too.

I was referring to the manner in which he attacked. Tell me it is not a frequent strategy for Superman to hit hard and fast like that. For your information, I don't care an ounce if you believe Superman is beyond herald level or this is indeed the actual case, rather I simply stated my skepticism of the scenario. Being beyond herald doesn't exactly mean he could or should be able to oppose abstracts in such a manner.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
It states that it was the people's faith that gave Supes the capacity to break PS' form... I can only conclude that without it the strike would have been ineffective. My problem with this scenario is the fact that it implies that their faith in Superman somehow trumps a vastly mystical being such as Phantom Stranger who himself acts as an agent of 'the voice'.

I must admit however, I have not read this issue, so these scans may not provide the whole context. If I in fact misunderstood, please let me know.

As for the question itself...I am unsure.

This. All of them survive.

Originally posted by carver9
This. All of them survive.

Stop ignoring it, Carv. Superman > Voice.

Tbh, on a more serious note, I can see it happening. The Spectre is always being jobbed.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
Wow...

How am I wrong? Please explain. For starters I already stated I may have misunderstood the scan, then I went on to concede that the power behind Superman's attack was indeed impressive in my latest post after reflecting on it. I did not however change my stance on the believability of the scenario. Regardless of what you say, I don't believe a 'digging deep' Superman could plausibly do what Spectre apparently couldn't.

You could be less of an ass too. You come across very condescending. I chose to take that last comment of yours in stride but I won't abide this. Also, I'm most certainly no genius either, but far from an idiot too.

I was referring to the manner in which he attacked. Tell me it is not a frequent strategy for Superman to hit hard and fast like that. For your information, I don't care an ounce if you believe Superman is beyond herald level or this is indeed the actual case, rather I simply stated my skepticism of the scenario. Being beyond herald doesn't exactly mean he could or should be able to oppose abstracts in such a manner.

I'm not sure if you read the read the arc where Odin faced Galactus.
Thor admitted that both Odin and Galactus were battling on many planes that even they could not conceive of, similarly PS and The Spectre were fighting where the whole creation was at risk but the people were oblivious of their battle. With all the power that the specter and PS were hitting each other with, superman appeared to do more damage.

same way with soulfire DS, the source was hitting DS but superman inadvertently just cuts through DS while the source was able to do very little damage. The heralds, skyfather tiering isn't as solid in dc as it is ok Marvel. Its basically superman and everyone else. He's at a different standard and these rules don't apply when he needs to accomplish something.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I'm not sure if you read the read the arc where Odin faced Galactus.
Thor admitted that both Odin and Galactus were battling on many planes that even they could not conceive of, similarly PS and The Spectre were fighting where the whole creation was at risk but the people were oblivious of their battle. With all the power that the specter and PS were hitting each other with, superman appeared to do more damage.

same way with soulfire DS, the source was hitting DS but superman inadvertently just cuts through DS while the source was able to do very little damage. The heralds, skyfather tiering isn't as solid in dc as it is ok Marvel. Its basically superman and everyone else. He's at a different standard and these rules don't apply when he needs to accomplish something.

Thank you for informing me.

I understand this notion but seem to have trouble reconciling the fact that this is the very same Superman who had trouble with the likes of Zod and Faora.

Anyway, it seems like Superman has and will ever be the be-all end-all of super powered folk, however unfathomable it is to me.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
Wow...

How am I wrong? Please explain. For starters I already stated I may have misunderstood the scan, then I went on to concede that the power behind Superman's attack was indeed impressive in my latest post after reflecting on it. I did not however change my stance on the believability of the scenario. Regardless of what you say, I don't believe a 'digging deep' Superman could plausibly do what Spectre apparently couldn't.

You could be less of an ass too. You come across very condescending. I chose to take that last comment of yours in stride but I won't abide this. Also, I'm most certainly no genius either, but far from an idiot too.

I was referring to the manner in which he attacked. Tell me it is not a frequent strategy for Superman to hit hard and fast like that. For your information, I don't care an ounce if you believe Superman is beyond herald level or this is indeed the actual case, rather I simply stated my skepticism of the scenario. Being beyond herald doesn't exactly mean he could or should be able to oppose abstracts in such a manner.

OMG i am so sorry for being rude, i ate peanuts and they make me go wako when i eat them.
anyway i just couldnt understand why you believe the fact he was flying into someone takes away from the attack because overall power comes in many forms physical or not physical. with enough power behind the punch you can break reality and time.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
OMG i am so sorry for being rude, i ate peanuts and they make me go wako when i eat them.
anyway i just couldnt understand why you believe the fact he was flying into someone takes away from the attack because overall power comes in many forms physical or not physical. with enough power behind the punch you can break reality and time.

I can almost feel your sincerity from here...

Of course I know this. My main problem with it was plausibility, but I guess when Supes is involved anything is possible.

Anyway, I didn't come here to argue so I think I might leave this discussion for the time being, my position intact but respectful of yours.

🙂

Originally posted by Orrsome28
I can almost feel your sincerity from here...

Of course I know this. My main problem with it was plausibility, but I guess when Supes is involved anything is possible.

Anyway, I didn't come here to argue so I think I might leave this discussion for the time being, my position intact but respectful of yours.

🙂

i agree with you.... stupid peanuts... made me look bad!!
i should have listened to my teacher she told me "JOSHUAAAA JOSHUAAAAA the peanuts are SATANNNNN i will clean you from evilll!!!! JOSHUAAAAA