Nomi Sunrider vs Darth Zaanah

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I thought that's how you spelled it. 😮

No, she cut him off intentionally, as even shown in the scans:

"Ulic offered no resistance when his former love Nomi Sunrider [b]attacked, using her unique Force powers to block Ulic's connection to the Force."
―The Dark Side Sourcebook

"Nomi Sunrider and Tott Doneeta arrived to late to help Catm byt a distraught Nomi unleashed a wild Force ability that blinded Ulic to th Force, effectively stripping him of his powers and utterly crushing him."
―The New Essential Chronology

Also....did anyone else besides Neph read my Nomi respect thread?
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/nomi-sunrider-respect-thread/97193/ [/B]

I did. It's awesome.

Anyway, Nomi wins this one handily. Zannah's illusions are completely useless as Nomi can easily dissolve them. Dark side tendrils can be countered with Wall of Light and even on a dark nexus the tendrils still require a lot of concentration and effort to summon so they aren't a sure thing.

If it comes down to blade-to-blade combat, Zannah is again outclassed. Jensaarai1 has eloquently detailed how Zannah's lightsabre skills are grossly overspecialised and are there purely to buy time so she can use sorcery to beat her opponents. In this case sorcery won't help and her lightsabre skills are inferior to Nomi's.

At best Zannah can fend her off for a bit but eventually Zannah dies.

Not certain how Wall of light would counter her spells, the move is to sever/contain someone not block force attacks.

Zannah in her prime was also quite agile, if not incompetent and unwieldy at times. She has better feats than Nomi in just about ever regard.

I can see how Wall of Light could be used as a shield against abilities like DST, which is basically a pure manifestation of darkness.

I think Nomi might just be a really bad matchup for Zannah. I think she has the clear advantage in lightsaber ability, and can possibly neutralise Zannah's sorcery and even use some offensive lightside attacks of her own.

The clear advantage in lightsaber ability?

Zannah is a much better duelist than people give her credit for.

Nomi wielded a lightsaber with the skill of a master the very first time she picked one up, and has since gone on to become a very well trained Jedi. Zannah, being very powerful will naturally be a very powerful duelist, but her skills are never described as being all that great, she clearly specialised in her sorcery, and she was getting dominated by BM-amped Sarro Ja (who is great, but still).

Nomi was one of those rare individuals who was both a lightsaber and Force prodigy, such as Bane and Exar Kun.

Zannah was able to defend against a full on onslaught from DOE Bane, with him only breaking her defense when she trips. She's likely faster than Nomi is, and Nomi hasn't demonstrated the strength, speed or stamina to deal with Zannahs defense. She'll get tired and Zannah would switch to offense and defeat her.

Skilled swordsman can overcome the more powerful Force User, and Nomi's both. She definitely has the edge in skill compared to Zannah, and is perhaps almost as powerful.

Definitely has the skill?

Zannah was holding out against a duelist of Bane's calibur!!! Nomi would not be able to break Zannah's defense.

But the thing about Zannah's technique is that its not something skill can really overcome. She's just spinning her lightsaber in a circle, its not like you can find a clever way around her guard because her guard is basically a huge shield in front of her entire body that deflects every attack. The only way to beat her is to push her through sheer physical attributes.

Even then Zannah was holding out, though losing, against Bane in a duel, and Bane was strong enough to rip durasteel door off of it's hinges while drugged, and fast enough to deflect torrents of rain with his lightsaber.

Originally posted by carthage
INot certain how Wall of light would counter her spells, the move is to sever/contain someone not block force attacks.

Let's see, Wall of Light, Dark side energy, light drives away darkness...

It's not exactly rocket science.

Originally posted by carthage
She has better feats than Nomi in just about ever regard.

Not really. Nomi's Force abilities are vastly stronger. Lightsabre skills are hard to say as she's never been in a duel against a Sith/Dark Jedi but by all accounts she's very good and she certainly doesn't have Zannah's limitations.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I can see how Wall of Light could be used as a shield against abilities like DST, which is basically a pure manifestation of darkness.

Precisely.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Zannah is a much better duelist than people give her credit for.

Zannah is very good at what she does certainly, but the problem is she has no variety at all. Sure, her dueling skills are good but they're intended purely to hold enemies off so she can kill them with sorcery, something she can't do here.

Having a strong defense is important certainly, but that's ALL Zannah has. This overspecialization means she can't defeat an opponent in a straight up sabre duel, just hold them off for a bit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But the thing about Zannah's technique is that its not something skill can really overcome. She's just spinning her lightsaber in a circle, its not like you can find a clever way around her guard because her guard is basically a huge shield in front of her entire body that deflects every attack. The only way to beat her is to push her through sheer physical attributes.

Beg your pardon Nephthys, but there is a way to beat Zannah's technique through skill/precision. Aim for the spinning handle in the middle of the shield.

Zannah can defeat an opponent in a straight duel (and she actually does in DOE), its just that her strategy is to wear down her opponent by letting them break themselves trying to get though her defense then switch to offense to finish them off. Which is what would happen here.

And Nomi isn't vastly superior in the Force. Zannah has levitated, disintegrated matter, empowered others and shielded herself from the Brotherhoods massive Force Storm, all as an untrained child.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Beg your pardon Nephthys, but there is a way to beat Zannah's technique through skill/precision. Aim for the spinning handle in the middle of the shield.

To which Zannah can easily move her hands to the side before it connects. A tiny movement on her part prevents that from working.

Then again, if she's spinning her blade like that a decent power attack at any point should penetrate her defense. I mean, that would be terrible leverage and she's physically weak according to Bane.

Nomi takes this.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Then again, if she's spinning her blade like that a decent power attack at any point should penetrate her defense. I mean, that would be terrible leverage and she's physically weak according to Bane.

Let's see, Wall of Light, Dark side energy, light drives away darkness...

It's not exactly rocket science.

It contains it not strips it, your thinking of sever force. When Exar Kun was trapped by that massive wall of light, he still retained his force abilities Ulic was stripped of his.

Not really. Nomi's Force abilities are vastly stronger. Lightsabre skills are hard to say as she's never been in a duel against a Sith/Dark Jedi but by all accounts she's very good and she certainly doesn't have Zannah's limitations.

Prove it with feats, then. Apart from battle med and Wall of light, she has very few force feats and there is nothing to prove she is stronger than Zannah.

Zannah is very good at what she does certainly, but the problem is she has no variety at all. Sure, her dueling skills are good but they're intended purely to hold enemies off so she can kill them with sorcery, something she can't do here.

Having a strong defense is important certainly, but that's ALL Zannah has. This overspecialization means she can't defeat an opponent in a straight up sabre duel, just hold them off for a bit

It contains it not strips it, your thinking of sever force. When Exar Kun was trapped by that massive wall of light, he still retained his force abilities Ulic was stripped of his.

Sure, and he was supercharged by thousands of souls, died, and trapped in one place.

Prove it with feats, then. Apart from battle med and Wall of light, she has very few force feats and there is nothing to prove she is stronger than Zannah.

What she did against Ulic was pretty crazy, Ulic was strong in the force.

Also, remember that all the other Jedi considered her the strongest of her time, above Thon who himself has good force feats (he was known for fighting with a continual force barrier around him shrugging enemy fire), and channeled the power of the entire Order.

This is the Jedi in one of their golden ages. Being the top of the lot is impressive.

I don't think Ulic was terribly strong in the force, while his force screams were potent. All he did was choke others and augment his abilities to generate tons of after images. He'd waste either of them in a duel IMO

Originally posted by carthage
I don't think Ulic was terribly strong in the force, while his force screams were potent. All he did was choke others and augment his abilities to generate tons of after images. He'd waste either of them in a duel IMO

A scan was posted not too long ago where Ulic pretty much creates a shield against artillery-style blaster weapons, a defensive feat which few could replicate.