Whats the cutoff point between Meta and Herald?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
He has always been depicted as stronger than Thor, who has demonstrated planetary power.

Lulz at the avengers not being a team of heralds.

thor doesnt have planet level strength showings. thor overall can bust a planet with mjolnir+all his godly powers. but strength alone? strength alone he is on hercules level and a low herald via strength alone.

and who are the heralds on the avengers? thor is the only one to be honest. hulk took on thor iron man and captain america. thor high herald. iron man? in my book he is a high meta that is perhaps making it to the low herald. and Cap? are you serious?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Pym/Stark

That's the line imo.

Pym is mid-meta at best while Iron Man is low-herald at worst

Originally posted by zopzop

But Hulk, Thor, and Superman can lift tremendous weights (ignore the planetary stuff for one second). You think Dracula, just using him as an example, could have braced that mountain range Molecule Man dropped on the heroes in Secret Wars? Can Dracula travel to another planet? Can he survive solar temps and pressures? Etc...

Could Iron Man?

Hickman's current roster of 10000 Avengers is the exception. On average you're right, the Avengers aren't a team of heralds. [/B]

Also Superman can lift pretty much anything you can throw at him.

Can someone close this thread?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Pym is mid-meta at best while Iron Man is low-herald at worst

can iron man destroy a whole city?

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Luke Cage is low meta. he cant cause any real damage as far as real power output.
whats the best level of damage he can demonstrate? destroy a house? a low meta to me.

Back on topic, I think being a herald is determined by a mixture of raw power and combat feats.

Originally posted by deathslash
😬 More recently, Luke Cage has shown the ability to create shockwaves with his punches and he has dozens of feats where he has beaten/ held his own against mid meta/ high herald level characters. I'm pretty certain that Cage is a high meta.

Back on topic, I think being a herald is determined by a mixture of raw power and combat feats.

i knew people like you will show up, the ones who are dazed by preety pictures and cool showings. i will ask again, what the max damage potential cage can unleash? destroy a house? whats his overall power? cage is unleashed and going all out with his punches, by feats whats the best he can do? yep as i said low meta.

Combat feats consist of many PIS moments in order to make a decent story. by combat feats spider man matched hulk atc atc atc i can begin and it will never end.
unless combat feats are consistant such as someone who does something on daily basis such as destroy teams and so on. Luke Cage is a high meta? you clearly dont know anything about power levels and their definition. i find it nothing but funny as hell that you put luke cage as someone who can destroy a whole city. you clearly dont know the definition of a high meta and you make up your own.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
thor doesnt have planet level strength showings. thor overall can bust a planet with mjolnir+all his godly powers. but strength alone? strength alone he is on hercules level and a low herald via strength alone.

and who are the heralds on the avengers? thor is the only one to be honest. hulk took on thor iron man and captain america. thor high herald. iron man? in my book he is a high meta that is perhaps making it to the low herald. and Cap? are you serious?

Vision, Wonderman, Dr. Strange,...

Do you guys really need me to name every Herald that is/was an avengers to show Hulk is a high herald

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Pym is mid-meta at best while Iron Man is low-herald at worst

Tony is low herald AT BEST.

No

Originally posted by pym-ftw
yes he does from lifting planetary weight vs Kang to lifting the worlds tree to cracking a planet & moon vs Gorr

Vision, Wonderman, Dr. Strange,...

Do you guys really need me to name every Herald that is/was an avengers to show Hulk is a high herald the fact you disagree with me makes me feel correct

what planetary weight? please dont tell me you are talking about thor fishing the serpent thats just too funny.

cracking a moon with mjolnir? its not the same as destroying a planet with your bare hands.

wonderman is not a herald. vision is not herald. dr strange via PIS or Plot device.

i will say it again. average savage hulk cant pull out the power output to destroy a planet. i see him destroying a city in complete rampage thats why i put his as low herald. but i dont see him doing more than that unless he gets angrier.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
No

can tony destroy a planet?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Can someone close this thread?

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
can tony destroy a planet?

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
slingshot gave velocity and speed . he was basically an object hitting the astroid rather than his own power output. however as i stated thats a BS 70s 80s 1 time showing like many characters has. as i stated before taking down the avengers does not mean beating up a team that consist of good rounded heralds. he only took thor a high herald and iron man a high meta. cap? Lol.

the overall power output to destroy a whole planet is a key to establish one as fitting the herald category in my book yes. you bring hulk taking blasts that can destroy a planet? first of all as i stated i talk about power output not damage soak. classic juggernaut can take huge levels of punishment, doesnt mean i should put him as high herald when it takes him several month to punch his way out of a mountain. hulk can whitstand things via healing factor. wolverine can take blasts that can destroy a city. so wolverine is low herald now? aside of that can you prove that the blasts that were shot at hulk were at the level of destroying a planet? because if its something like lets say thor hitting him with a blast, can you prove everything he had was put into the blast and the blast wasnt just there to give hulk a fight but no cause any real damage?

So Nova could have destroy an asteroid twice the size of earth by flying into it?

Taking on Thor along with anyone else that is powerful as well is an insane ft within itself. Especially since all of them was trying to smoke him.

Lol...who said anything about Thor hitting Hulk with planetary power? And yes, I can prove it was planetary since it was stated on panel as being such.

Hulk has taken on every team in Marvel and has done well, if not beat them. He has thrashed Heralds as well. His status is clearly high Herald plus. You basing his power level off of him not being able to fly (even though his jumping power is pretty darn close) is ludicrous.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
thor doesnt have planet level strength showings. thor overall can bust a planet with mjolnir+all his godly powers. but strength alone? strength alone he is on hercules level and a low herald via strength alone.

and who are the heralds on the avengers? thor is the only one to be honest. hulk took on thor iron man and captain america. thor high herald. iron man? in my book he is a high meta that is perhaps making it to the low herald. and Cap? are you serious?

Lol...that isn't the onky time he took on the Avengers.