Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor, Gardener, Starbrand.Sorry 😛
Lol...
When did Thor ko Hulk in the past 10 yrs? Can you show the Gardener and Starbrand scans? I think you are joking. Aaaahhhh, you're talking about Thor using a super attack and Hulk catching him ending with the backlash of power possibly dropping Hulk? He said Hulk sucks, so I'm looking for battle fts.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor & Starbrand each knocked him into orbit (Siege/ avengers 8ish I believe)Gardener beat all the avengers until CU saved them. ( now Avengers #1)
Do you consider that a win? I just look down on bfr, but, I agree with you. What about the Gardener fight? Do you have scans?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift?
Holy shit do you have things mixed up Pym
Originally posted by carver9my Laptop is out of commission for a couple months. Sorry.
Do you consider that a win? I just look down on bfr, but, I agree with you. What about the Gardener fight? Do you have scans?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Great, I'll wait for reasons why he can beat DoS Doomsday sans PIS (which isnt present in a forum environment) and prep...
Anyways, Doom wins via bfr. Point proven.
As to your other claims regarding Doom killing a Watcher being PIS, Doom had did so after mastering every form of dark arts for a million years. Doom was also under tutelage from the Marquis of Death, the same guy who goes around puppet-mastering Abstracts.
Heck, even in the most recent F4/FF arc, Doom was referred as being omnipotent by none other than the Living f*cking Tribunal himself:
http://imgur.com/0cdIyBE
http://imgur.com/jcYqW2u
But go ahead and dismiss it as PIS. That's what you do after all, don't ya?
So there. Doom belongs to the herald category no matter how much you want to whine and cry about it, TLoM.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Despite all the deflection you are throwing up, you also know full well that in a PIS'less/prep'less environment Doom loses to the majority of the list in the OP...Grodd is there btw because I wanted there to be someone present that he could actually potentially get wins against sans PIS/prep...
Jack has been written up since his fight against Hulk btw (and he is 1 and 1 against Hulk as I pointed out earlier in this thread) and his portrayals/feats support it...
Jack can reinite a star under his own power sans prep...can Doom?
When Tyrants robots went gathering beings to power Tyrants machines, they selected beings that possessed a certain level of power or greater; Surfer, Morg, Terrax, Jack, Bill, Gladiator, and Gandymede were selected...
Jack was the one that damaged Tyrants machinery allowing the others to get free and mount an attack against Tyrant; you really think Doom has the raw power to do what Jack did?
In a PIS'less environment, you really think Doom is giving pause to Tyrant?
Jack kept performing these levels of feats...its called an average...and its greater than Dooms average.
Doom isnt on the same level as the characters mentioned in this thread (except maybe Grodd, and in a PIS'less environment he can definitely get wins against Doom)...
Take off the rose tinted glasses and see him for what he truly is...
He's a High Meta that, between PIS and prep, can give greater characters trouble...
Yes, not everything he does is PIS or involves prep, but without those, his combat effectiveness drops significantly...
It didn't work because :
a) fanboys and trolls came out in force
b) the non trolls/fanboys brought up a good point, Doom has beaten herald level characters before and multiple times
What you should have done is create a thread with different scenarios that required herald level power :
a) mountain range falling on heroes
b) Baxter Building toppling over
c) emergency on a different planet
d) rescuing a star
e) surviving stellar level temperatures and pressure
f) withstanding a black hole
g) etc....
That way, they are forced to argue for the character based on his displayed power rather than his ability to win a fight.
For example : Spiderman has beaten Firelord, Savage Hulk, almost beat Masterson Thor into a coma, yet no one dares consider him a herald level being despite the fact that he's beaten heralds.
Now use my example : Molecule Man has dropped a mountain on our heroes in Secret Wars I, there's no time to escape, what does Spiderman do? He can't do sh|t except die. Unlike the Hulk, who Spiderman beat by the way, who could at least brace/lift that billions of tons of weight to give the heroes a chance to devise a plan to escape.
@ abhilegend
ROFLMAO.
Originally posted by Epicurus
So your criterion for a character to be low herald is if they are able to beat trans tier characters? What sort of biased and bullshit idea is that?Anyways, Doom wins via bfr. Point proven.
As to your other claims regarding Doom killing a Watcher being PIS, Doom had did so after mastering every form of dark arts for a million years. Doom was also under tutelage from the Marquis of Death, the same guy who goes around puppet-mastering Abstracts.
Heck, even in the most recent F4/FF arc, Doom was referred as being omnipotent by none other than the Living f*cking Tribunal himself:
http://imgur.com/0cdIyBE
http://imgur.com/jcYqW2u
But go ahead and dismiss it as PIS. That's what you do after all, don't ya?So there. Doom belongs to the herald category no matter how much you want to whine and cry about it, TLoM.
What wait, isn't the LT lying dead on the moon? 😕
Originally posted by zopzop
LoM, I get what you were trying to do with this thread : A character, in this case Doom, under his own power (no prep and cr@p) vs herald level characters. You meant to show the raw power difference between true heralds vs popular characters considered to be heralds (based on their win record).It didn't work because :
a) fanboys and trolls came out in force
b) the non trolls/fanboys brought up a good point, Doom has beaten herald level characters before and multiple timesWhat you should have done is create a thread with different scenarios that required herald level power :
a) mountain range falling on heroes
b) Baxter Building toppling over
c) emergency on a different planet
d) rescuing a star
e) surviving stellar level temperatures and pressure
f) withstanding a black hole
g) etc....That way, they are forced to argue for the character based on his displayed power rather than his ability to win a fight.
For example : Spiderman has beaten Firelord, Savage Hulk, almost beat Masterson Thor into a coma, yet no one dares consider him a herald level being despite the fact that he's beaten heralds.
Now use my example : Molecule Man has dropped a mountain on our heroes in Secret Wars I, there's no time to escape, what does Spiderman do? He can't do sh|t except die. Unlike the Hulk, who Spiderman beat by the way, who could at least brace/lift that billions of tons of weight to give the heroes a chance to devise a plan to escape.
@ abhilegend
ROFLMAO.
Excellent points zopzop...excellent points. 👆
And that was exactly what I planned to demostrate in this thread: that Doom doesnt have Herald level power...
Yeah, Doom would fail in all those senario's where True Heralds could succeed...
You all tend to throw off anything Doom has done and is marking it as PIS. If you cant accept what the character has done, then why make the thread? It seem like your mind is already made up. Doom have fts that shows he can beat anyone on that list, and it's consistent. It's not up to you to choose what's PIS or not since again, his fts is consistent enough to be considered the norm.
Originally posted by zopzop
LoM, I get what you were trying to do with this thread : A character, in this case Doom, under his own power (no prep and cr@p) vs herald level characters. You meant to show the raw power difference between true heralds vs popular characters considered to be heralds (based on their win record).It didn't work because :
a) fanboys and trolls came out in force
b) the non trolls/fanboys brought up a good point, Doom has beaten herald level characters before and multiple timesWhat you should have done is create a thread with different scenarios that required herald level power :
a) mountain range falling on heroes
b) Baxter Building toppling over
c) emergency on a different planet
d) rescuing a star
e) surviving stellar level temperatures and pressure
f) withstanding a black hole
g) etc....That way, they are forced to argue for the character based on his displayed power rather than his ability to win a fight.
For example : Spiderman has beaten Firelord, Savage Hulk, almost beat Masterson Thor into a coma, yet no one dares consider him a herald level being despite the fact that he's beaten heralds.
Now use my example : Molecule Man has dropped a mountain on our heroes in Secret Wars I, there's no time to escape, what does Spiderman do? He can't do sh|t except die. Unlike the Hulk, who Spiderman beat by the way, who could at least brace/lift that billions of tons of weight to give the heroes a chance to devise a plan to escape.
@ abhilegend
ROFLMAO.
Those fts you've named, Doomsday, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, along with a group of other low to High Heralds, they've never performed anything close to that. Do you consider them as Heralds.?