Doctor Doom faces off against True Low Heralds...

Originally posted by carver9
You all tend to throw off anything Doom has done and is marking it as PIS. If you cant accept what the character has done, then why make the thread? It seem like your mind is already made up. Doom have fts that shows he can beat anyone on that list, and it's consistent. It's not up to you to choose what's PIS or not since again, his fts is consistent enough to be considered the norm.

Dude...just stop; no one is discounting all his feats.

Braylor wants to count him killing a Watcher and taking hits from an abstract as legit when anyone with a brain in their skull recognizes those "feats" as pure PIS...

Common Sense dude...

Originally posted by carver9
Those fts you've named, Doomsday, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, along with a group of other low to High Heralds, they've never performed anything close to that. Do you consider them as Heralds.?

Of course those guys are Heralds...

Glads once stopped the Baxter Building from falling if memory serves me correctly and these characters all possess strength in that same realm, so yeah, they belong...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Dude...just stop; no one is discounting all his feats.

Braylor wants to count him killing a Watcher and taking hits from an abstract as legit when anyone with a brain in their skull recognizes those "feats" as pure PIS...

Common Sense dude...

And you blindly hate Doom, so I could see how logic is seen as fanboyish.

A related question, what about Batman?

He's a normal human. No meta enhancements. And yet, he takes on and beats people outside of his weight class. And does things way beyond what humans can do. PIS? That negates 50/75% of his feats.

But he does them so regularly.

Appreciate its not the same as Doom punching Watchers etc, but same principle. When it happens quite often, and isn't a one time outlier, and has corroborating, supporting evidence, why not?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Get some reading comprehension. I only said they were legit when you kept purely using Jack of Hearts' highest feats to say Doom wasn't close.

And you blindly hate Doom, so I could see how logic is seen as fanboyish.

Yep, I hate Doom...

Nevermind that I own the entire Doom 2099 series and have followed the character faithfully since the late 80's...

Contiune to believe what your delusional brain keeps telling you..

Yes, you love Doom. That's why you made a bait thread for him, said he couldn't beat anyone here, and then just generally shit on him.

That delusion on my part.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A related question, what about Batman?

He's a normal human. No meta enhancements. And yet, he takes on and beats people outside of his weight class. And does things way beyond what humans can do. PIS? That negates 50/75% of his feats.

But he does them so regularly.

Appreciate its not the same as Doom punching Watchers etc, but same principle. When it happens quite often, and isn't a one time outlier, and has corroborating, supporting evidence, why not?

You still see the same kind of shit with Captain America too. "Peak human" means he gets disintegrated by any hit above 2 tons, and automatically 90 percent of his feats don't count.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Of course those guys are Heralds...

Glads once stopped the Baxter Building from falling if memory serves me correctly and these characters all possess strength in that same realm, so yeah, they belong...

So Zop Zop comment was pointless?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes, you love Doom. That's why you made a bait thread for him, said he couldn't beat anyone here, and then just generally shit on him.

That delusion on my part.

People get stuck on their labels of a character, and assume that they should only be operating within those perimeters. Regardless of what happens in the comics, Labels > feats.

You still see the same kind of shit with Captain America too. "Peak human" means he gets disintegrated by any hit above 2 tons, and automatically 90 percent of his feats don't count.

Bait thread in your mind; legit topic in mines...

I firmly believe he lacks the power of a Herald depite his combat feats, as beating Heralds doesnt automatically make you a Herald (see Spiderman and Batman for clear examples of this)...

I went about it the wrong way; I should have done it in the fashion that zopzop suggested and maybe my point would have been clearer...

Of course your fanboy blinders are on so tight that any thread suggesting Doom couldnt do something would be interpreted by you as a spite/bait/anti-Doom thread...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Dude...just stop; no one is discounting all his feats.

Braylor wants to count him killing a Watcher and taking hits from an abstract as legit when anyone with a brain in their skull recognizes those "feats" as pure PIS...

Common Sense dude...

So JOH high fts count but Doom doesn't?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Bait thread in your mind; legit topic in mines...

I firmly believe he lacks the power of a Herald depite his combat feats, as beating Heralds doesnt automatically make you a Herald (see Spiderman and Batman for clear examples of this)...

I went about it the wrong way; I should have one it in the fashion that zopzop suggested and maybe my point would have been clearer...

Of course your fanboy blinders are on so tight that any thread suggesting Doom couldnt do something would be interpreted by you as a spite/bait/anti-Doom thread...

Originally posted by carver9
So Zop Zop comment was pointless?

If thats the conclusion you've reached then your reading comprehension approaches zero...

What I posted fully agrees with what he posted...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You just stated the textbook definition of "bait thread".

Only in the mind of a fanboy is that the definition of "bait thread."

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
If thats the conclusion you've reached then your reading comprehension approaches zero...

What I posted fully agrees with what he posted...

But you are picking and choosing. Black Adam is where he is at due to who he has fought and what he has done during those fights. He isn't in that tier because he ignited a star, busted a planet, traveled through space at high speed, or survived in a black hole. At least be consistent with your argument. Black Adam took on the entirety of the JSA that had a group of low to High Heralds, JOH ignited a Star. Who would win the majority between Black Adam and JOH?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Only in the mind of a fanboy is that the definition of "bait thread."

You made a thread with the intention of a character not being able to beat anyone in the thread, and you won't accept any of his feats as reasons for being a low herald.

Your intention was to call out Doom "fanboys", and try and rub it in their face that no matter how hard they tried, that Doom wasn't a low herald (even though the forum voted for him to be) and couldn't beat anyone in this thread. As well as trying to make him go down a tier for no reason. And calling me a Doom fanboy for just using the exact same logic you're using for JoH, but with actual feats too... What is this called if it isn't bait?

But if you don't believe it's a bait thread, then you wouldn't mind Pr popping in here?

Originally posted by carver9
So JOH high fts count but Doom doesn't?

JoH is a True Herald...

Reigniting/Stabilizing a Star, withstanding close proximity levels of solar radiation/heat/pressures are something that is typically seen in Heralds...

In the example with Tyrant, lets be clear, he didnt really do any real damage to Tyrant and Tyrant never was in no real danger...but JoH gave him a slight pause...that is something reasonable a Herald vs someone who is atleast a High Skyfather would be capable of (Surfer got a good hit on Odin that caused him to slightly shift position, but Odin wasnt hurt by it; that is a reasonable result)...

Contrast this to Doom; him killing a Watcher and taking hits from an Abstract is so far out of bounds that its totally rediculous...

Do you get it now? Or must I simplify things further for you?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
JoH is a True Herald...

Reigniting/Stabilizing a Star, withstanding close proximity levels are solar radiation/heat/pressures are something that is typically seen in Heralds...

In the example with Tyrant, lets be clear, he didnt really do any real damage to Tyrant and Tyrant never was in no real danger...but JoH gave him a slight pause...that is something reasonable a Herald vs someone who is atleast a High Skyfather would be capable of (Surfer got a good hit on Odin that caused him to slightly shift position, but Odin wasnt hurt by it; that is a reasonable result)...

Contrast this to Doom, him killing a Watcher and taking hits from an Abstract is so far out of bounds that its totally rediculous...

Do you get it now? Or must I simplify things further for you?

And even after reigniting a star, he got his face ripped in by people that Doom beat.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
My mind has nothing to do with this.

You made a thread with the intention of a character not being able to beat anyone in the thread

Stop right there; we adressed this several pages back, but apparently you lack long term memory...

What was my reason for including Grodd here? LoL...

If you are going to try to bend and twist everything I say, then debating with you is pointless...

As for Pr, get him in here, my thread and premise are solid...

Originally posted by carver9
And even after reigniting a star, he got his face ripped in by people that Doom beat.

Combat showings dont automatically equal raw power level...

Originally posted by carver9
But you are picking and choosing. Black Adam is where he is at due to who he has fought and what he has done during those fights. He isn't in that tier because he ignited a star, busted a planet, traveled through space at high speed, or survived in a black hole. At least be consistent with your argument. Black Adam took on the entirety of the JSA that had a group of low to High Heralds, JOH ignited a Star. Who would win the majority between Black Adam and JOH?

Originally posted by Utrigita
What wait, isn't the LT lying dead on the moon? 😕