(Gabriel Belmont) Dracula Vs Kain (Legacy of Kain)

Originally posted by Total Broadband
Raziel is not in this thread, also you say that as if its a bad thing, these were the Sarafan elite and were wielding blades. As for Kain being his "more or less physical equel" you don't know your source clearly since Kain consistently makes sport of Raziel physically throughout the game, not least of all the oh so famous chronoplast scene, oh and his feats as I posted above. Stop ignoring the feats.

So? Still doesn't change the fact that they harmed him and that Raziel is not outside of human perception speed to perceive

Even if Kain was physically superior, you can't quantify that difference so Raziel's feats are what we scale off. That is all

Why would he need to be? You say that like Dracula did not fight toe to toe with humans in Lords of Shadow 2. That still does not change Kains statistics. Your bringing up speed pointlessly when Kain can halt any speed Dracula has with a gesture and a TK strangle. He can probably kill him with that TK strangle as well since his TK has tons of force behind it. Now imagine tons of force on Draculas little neck...

Also Kain dukes Raziel all the time, so scaling off Raz like Kain fights him equally all the time is daft.

If he can survive a country+ explosion, why would Kain's TK be effective?. Even then, he can't TK when he can't percieve his movements ala Wesker style (tho I don't know how fast Gabriel is, I've heard hypersonic stats, clarification would be nice)

If you can find a way to quantify that difference by all means, go ahead, until then, the difference, is unquantifiable

Dracula can survive a fall from near space without a scratch Kain's tk isnt doing jack not to mention he could just teleport out of the grip or turn into mist.

On the other hand Kain is a chump who gets burned by simple water guess what's Gabriel's powerset includes?
Ice.
So Dracula creates an ice tornado disintigrating Kain for the easy win.haermm

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If he can survive a country+ explosion, why would Kain's TK be effective?. Even then, he can't TK when he can't percieve his movements ala Wesker style (tho I don't know how fast Gabriel is, I've heard hypersonic stats, clarification would be nice)

If you can find a way to quantify that difference by all means, go ahead, until then, the difference, is unquantifiable

I like how you don't have clarification for something you've not even a grasp of yourself and yet are championing it out of pure bias. Ill believe it when I see it, also why cant he TK when he "cant" perceive? Hes creating a telekinetic barrier, he gestures at his target and its under the effect of TK, its not like hes hitting him with something.

Also when did Dracula tank a "country+" explosion? And quantify the force of the explosion that struck Dracula. If its a magic attack of some kind rather than a bomb you cant just assume Dracula somehow tanked vast forces.

Also the Dimentional teleport shows Kains reflexes as being high.

Originally posted by Estacado
Dracula can survive a fall from near space without a scratch Kain's tk isnt doing jack not to mention he could just teleport out of the grip or turn into mist.

Prove the distance, don't just claim. If your referring to when he was fighting Satan and they slammed into the ground? Didn't look like a fall from space at all...he was in the clouds, this is not as impressive as you think because Dracula is only a man in size and therefore is not very heavy. You cant grasp the fact Kain has tons of force under his sway with a gesture and can do this effortlessly.

And yes, Dracula can mist/teleport as can Kain, this still leaves him vulnerable for the fraction of a second he may be under the TK's power, Kain can do it again as well as soon as Dracula appears. Dracula has no such advantage or ranged power on that kind of scale.

This still leaves Kain as vastly more durable, has more magic at his command and more importantly, has a sword that will kill Dracula in a strike.

Originally posted by Estacado
On the other hand Kain is a chump who gets burned by simple water guess what's Gabriel's powerset includes?
Ice.
So Dracula creates an ice tornado disintigrating Kain for the easy win.haermm

Ice is not =/= running water. Kain is immune to anything but immersion in water since Blood omen 1, rain for example does nothing to him and walking in streams in BO 2 does a little damage. Theres no way of proving how much damage ice, which is not running water and therefore may not be nearly as acidic, infact I belive Kain walks through snow in several regions in Defiance.

Unless Dracula can summon a large body of water and get Kain in it hes wasting his time casting ice tornados...

Wheras kain gets an easy win with a gesture of TK...I would say Kains gesture is an easier win than anything Dracula can hope for 😆

A list of things Kain can one shot Dracula with;

Soulreaver sword strike, potentially straight out of a dimentional teleport? Draculas defence? nothing...he wont know it until its hit him.

TK blast, until you can prove good durability, tons of force on Draculas head will burst it.

Mind control/Soul blast--> Under the same thing really because they amount to Dracula losing his soul or mind, this is easy for Kain to do unless theres a good mind rape feat for Dracula.

Or he could you know, walk up to Dracula and impale him on his claws.

Oh and another thing, Kain can drain blood with telekinesis, spells like bloodshower make this even more powerful so Dracula becomes a dry husk, giving Kain his powers in the process, then Kain turns him into one of his vampire sons!

Stealth watch this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo

Lord of Shadow 2 movie, Dracula moves at about peak human speed, so hes about as fast as Kain. Infact, movementwise their roughply similar, using mist form and teleport however....Kain is a bit faster since he can do those instant blitz strikes like the one he did on moebius. He can also swing his sword as a blur, stated in the games manuel.

Watch that and you will also learn that "explosion" was not really a explosion but more of a holy blast, which Dracula admits himself cant hurt him anyway due to special circumstances that I wont spoil for people who want to play the game.

Spoiler:
He is Gods chosen, so Gods power wont harm him

So theres no feat there for him tanking anything.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Raziel took several wounds from human soldiers as per his own admission. Kain is more or less his physical equal. Neither have any speed feats

Didn't Gabriel tank a country sized explosion? That should put him well out of Kain's weight class

He no-sold a country+ explosion due to his immunity to the power of God, the energy that created the explosion, and not due to his own innate durability to attacks. Unless Kain can use God's power, the feat is not usable for durability purposes.

Best quantifiable durability feat of Dracula's is prolly him tanking an attack that busted the top section of a sky-scraper, but he was weaker then.
At his Castle, where he'd be at his peak, he blocks the attack Estacado is talking about.
Then, just an hour or so later, he gets another unquantifiable durability feat, when he no-sells the Leviathan's blast that was intended to "destroy the world." Said blast was incomplete, though, and if completed, could have been anywhere from Life-Wiping to Planet Busting. The attack did bifurcate the Leviathan though, and the Leviathan's apparently durable enough to remain alive while beneath the Castle.

And of course, he's capable of free-falling from the upper atmosphere and landing on the ground unhurt.

So, in summary, Dracula's still way way above Kain's weight class. Kain would break his arms trying to attack Dracula.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

So, in summary, Dracula's still way way above Kain's weight class. Kain would break his arms trying to attack Dracula.

There is a little tiny problem with that and that, well you have no evidence. How did you come to the conclusion here when you admitted most of what you said is unquantifiable.

The leviathan is purely a statement, of unproven power.

As for the fall from the atmosphere? 😆

Calculate Dracula at terminal velocity over the distance he fell (and the proof of those distances), I promose your not get any massive numbers for durability especially when his fall is broken on Alucards back iirc.

More importantly lets cut a long story short and check out the damage it did, because if your talking about the same thing I think you are, it made a small divert in the tarmac when he struck, no great force.

Force to break tarmac is nothing on Kains durability which is in excess of the core of a star (ours) in the same surface area as likely hit Alucards back.

You may as well compare Supermans durability to Draculas if your going to make silly comparisons like that.

Since Kain can strike with at least the force Raziel can, as I said before, Kain can gut Dracula, wheras Dracula will only injure himself hitting Kain.

Here, Kain does this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo&t=87m20s

Dracula for all his strength and speed your crediting him with (and durability) gets impaled before he can even bite the creature, a creature that's not much larger, therefore not much heavier than a human, gets overpowered and thrown.

Only, Kain will teleport but instead of just throwing him, will use the soul reaver. Killing Dracula forever!

Kain breaks his arm and neck trying to hurt Dracula. 👆

haermm How would even your version of Kain break his neck? Whats he doing beating his neck against Draculas funny little body?

What a sport you are Young Phoenix, what a sport.

Also, as a somewhat unrelated side note

Spoiler:
its funny how a weak Camilla slowly jogs up to the cage she puts Beatrice in, struggles with the thin iron bars for a good while, finally breaks them, gives time for Beatrice to cower before the all powerful hypersonic prince of darkness catches up with her for an impalement, infact the whole Camilla fight giggles at Draculas speed and his reactions.

She continually evades him while teleporting across about 3 phases, even when she slowly makes shields around herself which takes longer than Kain forming a shield spell on himself does Dracula falter

Also, Dracula has to heat up human made/wielded shields before their soft enough for him to break 🙄 and while softening them (he bashes against them with his enhanced gauntlets) the humans are happily protected, not even knocked off their feat by the force or anything....

I am wondering if Edward from Twilight would give Dracula a run for his money in a physical matchup...hur hur hur

Even your version of Kain breaks his arm and neck trying to hurt Dracula. 👆

Even your trolling only ends in Dracula breaking his wish bone as well as all his teeth, which the Tooth Fairy NEVER rewards him for.....

Oh and;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo&t=116m40s

Dracula knocks himself unconscious just falling face first into the floor from about 20 meters or so...wow..

Due to my love of LoS and vamps in general I overestimated Dracula, Kain doesn't even need his sword, he just punches Dracula and knocks him out? Maybe killing him by accident?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even your version of Kain breaks his arm and neck trying to hurt Dracula. 👆

Originally posted by Total Broadband
Even your trolling only ends in Dracula breaking his wish bone as well as all his teeth, which the Tooth Fairy NEVER rewards him for.....

Oh and;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo&t=116m40s

Dracula knocks himself unconscious just falling face first into the floor from about 20 meters or so...wow..

Due to my love of LoS and vamps in general I overestimated Dracula, Kain doesn't even need his sword, he just punches Dracula and knocks him out? Maybe killing him by accident?

Kain punches Dracula and Kain breaks his arm and neck and gets knocked out. 👆

But then by accident trips Dracula, who smashes his head on the flags of the stone their fighting on, killing him instantly! Oh I do love your stories Phoenix.

Wow another one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo&t=164m13s

The more I look into LoS 2, the more I see scenes that Kain could so easily replicate and does himself, Dracula cowers and collapses before lightning? Something Kain has done to Raziel in Soul reaver 1 so easily?

Kain breaks his arm and neck and gets knocked out when trying to hurt Dracula. 👆

That's the same thing you said before...its more interesting when you change it at least a little sweetness...

So after finishing the Movie, I suggest adding in Satan and Death, maybe the Paladin of the order to even things out for Dracula, hey chuck in Alucard as well. This may help Kain a little due to Kains inspire hate powers but it would be more interesting to discuss more people.

Hell, chuck the LoS 2verse at Kain. Should be giggles to see how many of them kill themselves and eachother just trying to harm Kain.

Burning though. I have not play lord of shadow 2 myself but from what I seen. Dracula does indeed have more Raw power Kain.

This guy was god chosen as such he_immune to the divine and holy magic witch explain why he survive_A GIANT COUNTRY WIDE EXPLOSION/SHOCKWAVE? IS SEEN FROM OFF THE PLANET_

That alone is something I never seen Kain can do.

Not to mention he speed should give Kain hard time as well.

PS: you said Ice may not Water effect Kain? Perhaps not. But it will slow Kain down.

(Raziel Manage to use Water reaver on Kain. And he was slowing down due effect of the reaver)