(Gabriel Belmont) Dracula Vs Kain (Legacy of Kain)

Originally posted by Total Broadband
That's the same thing you said before...its more interesting when you change it at least a little sweetness...

So after finishing the Movie, I suggest adding in Satan and Death, maybe the Paladin of the order to even things out for Dracula, hey chuck in Alucard as well. This may help Kain a little due to Kains inspire hate powers but it would be more interesting to discuss more people.

Hell, chuck the LoS 2verse at Kain. Should be giggles to see how many of them kill themselves and eachother just trying to harm Kain.

Originally posted by EmptyHearted
Burning though. I have not play lord of shadow 2 myself but from what I seen. Dracula does indeed have more Raw power Kain.

This guy was god chosen as such he_immune to the divine and holy magic witch explain why he survive_A GIANT COUNTRY WIDE EXPLOSION/SHOCKWAVE? IS SEEN FROM OFF THE PLANET_

That alone is something I never seen Kain can do.

Not to mention he speed should give Kain hard time as well.

PS: you said Ice may not Water effect Kain? Perhaps not. But it will slow Kain down.

(Raziel Manage to use Water reaver on Kain. And he was slowing down due effect of the reaver)

Demonic Phoenix why you telling me that???
😕

Please the whole lock universe is a joke vampires got extinguished by normal humans in it.
Raziel got his ass smoked by a possessed János Auldron in 1 shot.
Janos was such a weakling he got held down by 6 humans and got his heart ripped out and he was one of the more powerful vampires.
Kain lost his entire army against humans the only non human opponent in their battle was the sarafan lord.
Kain cant even tk the larger demons in Defiance.
Dumah the most durable vampire in it got temporarly killed by being
stabbed with 3 spears.

Originally posted by EmptyHearted
Demonic Phoenix why you telling me that???
😕

Hes just trolling me, your probably newer than I am to KMC but what some KMCers do, especially those that don't or cant debate is troll. Funnily enough though, after years of trying to troll me, and not really making any difference to my arguments or behaviours some of the trolls still persist in adding their fallacies to the "pot" of them that make up their defence of their characters. This site could do with some more debaters though so maybe you can fight the case for Dracula?

Originally posted by EmptyHearted
Burning though. I have not play lord of shadow 2 myself but from what I seen. Dracula does indeed have more Raw power Kain.

This guy was god chosen as such he_immune to the divine and holy magic witch explain why he survive_A GIANT COUNTRY WIDE EXPLOSION/SHOCKWAVE? IS SEEN FROM OFF THE PLANET_

That alone is something I never seen Kain can do.

Not to mention he speed should give Kain hard time as well.

PS: you said Ice may not Water effect Kain? Perhaps not. But it will slow Kain down.

(Raziel Manage to use Water reaver on Kain. And he was slowing down due effect of the reaver)

There is no God in the Legacy of Kain universe of Christian origins, infact Nosgoth is apart from our world and the vampires there paly by completely different rules, infact their vampires only by name and the fact they drink blood, if you compare them to traditional vampires like Dracula their fairly different. Infact, their more like deamons, fallen angels in my opinion but their not connected to the same weaknesses.

Therefore, the holy power of God, crosses and the like would likely do no more to Kain than it would to the average person.

Not to mention he speed

Can you show me this speed, because I just watched the whole Lords of Shadow 2 "movie" on youtube that I posted earlier and Dracula is about peak human, he consistently has bouts of running or fleeing from either enemies or collapsing structures and never one does he move much quicker than Kain. Infact, Kain uses teleportation a lot more than Dracula seems to do, and is happy using mist form like Dracula does as well, so I cannot see this edge you claim for Dracula.

PS: you said Ice may not Water effect Kain? Perhaps not. But it will slow Kain down.

Using the void sword is literally Draculas best and only chance. When he fought Zobek he impales him, freezes him and shatters him. This is the only thing that, having taken away Kains immortality (and Draculas) could possibly get rid of Kain in this fight. The problem is this is far harder when Kain has a long list of advantages from telekinesis, lightning and other things he could employ on Dracula to make this go his way, its just easier for him.

Please the whole lock universe is a joke vampires got extinguished by normal humans in it.
Raziel got his ass smoked by a possessed János Auldron in 1 shot.
Janos was such a weakling he got held down by 6 humans and got his heart ripped out and he was one of the more powerful vampires.
Kain lost his entire army against humans the only non human opponent in their battle was the sarafan lord.
Kain cant even tk the larger demons in Defiance.
Dumah the most durable vampire in it got temporarly killed by being
stabbed with 3 spears.

This is a bit of a list of non squitter fallacies among others as well as red herrings but among your many fallacies I there's no argument so in my boredom ill reply to these things because your wrong on so many levels.

First, Vampires dominated Nosgoth, Humans by the Soul reaver era are nothing but cattle, hiding inside one big city.

Raziel got smoked by the Hylden Lord, not Janos, I suggest you play Legacy of Kain again.

Janos was under the effects of Moebius' staff, also Janos being one of the more powerful vampires is also questionable.

Kain never tries to TK the demons in defiance....so how do you know he cannot? I can tell you he can because their not heavier than the tons of rock he can influence.

As for Dumah, we don't know hes the most durable, based on feats Kain is by a long shot but again, we don't know the information behind how or why Dumah was impaled or when, he was an evolved and improved vampire by the time Raziel fought him.

And finally, your list is pointless, it does not prove any of your points or disprove mine. Whats funny is Dracula gets impaled several times himself, I outlined one already, he gets thrown and smashed through objects all the time, hitting his head a little by falling knocks him out and he has to use special weapons to break human worn shields...said strikes don't hurt the humans until he gets through their protection so the force is low, relying on heat more than anything...

So Dracula is not a match for Kain, infact Kains sons would likely be "boss level" in Lords of shadow and would be more of a threat than most in LoS 2.

Its funny actually, but the Demon Dracula fights so hard with (without breaking the train their on, a damn train....) admits that it crashing would kill it, and likely Dracula too, who flees by the way after being impaled and thrown around by it, a being fair inferior to Kain. Infact, that demon appears to be little more than the green poison spitting demons in Legacy of Kain, basic mooks.

Hence why unless mr Hearted has some new evidence and can debate this for the people like Estacado and Pheonix who cannot debate or are afraid to debate with me after getting hoisted by their own petards time and time again I will conclude this as a mismatch after evaluating LoS 2 Dracula heavily.

As I said, throw in the Lords of Shadow 2 universe or a group of its best like Satan, Zobek and some of the Acolytes, maybe the lords of shadow from LoS 1 as well or the black knight and we may have a fight with Kain. Together they could slow him, wear him down while keeping the fight fun for him because he would be able to use his many madness inducing powers to make them fight eachother.

Which would make this more fun to debate because then it adds LoS characters vs some LoS 2 characters. Good idea ay Empyeyheart?

Originally posted by EmptyHearted
Demonic Phoenix why you telling me that???
😕

Because Kain's physically not very impressive, relatively speaking (to Dracula). He needs his exotic powers to stand any sort of chance.

One idea, Kain has a chance to win even if Dracula surpasses him powerwise. As Scion of Balance, Kain has a fair amount of time hax (not as much as Moebius, though). He could go back in time and kill poor Gaby when he was a child or something of the sort. If we play by LoK rules, he can use the Soul Reaver to trigger paradoxes. If not, it is far easier.

I am not sure if the Soul reaver can trigger paradoxes by itself without something to trigger a paradox on, especially not outside the LoK universe. On top of that, Kain would still need a timestreaming device to enter the "paradox" time stream and find Dracula. Such a device does not exist in this match and would take a lot of time for Kain to use anyway, it would require Dracula to bump his head on a nearby piece of stone and go unconscious for Kain to have this time.

Originally posted by Total Broadband
I am not sure if the Soul reaver can trigger paradoxes by itself without something to trigger a paradox on, especially not outside the LoK universe. On top of that, Kain would still need a timestreaming device to enter the "paradox" time stream and find Dracula. Such a device does not exist in this match and would take a lot of time for Kain to use anyway, it would require Dracula to bump his head on a nearby piece of stone and go unconscious for Kain to have this time.

Yep, the Soul Reaver needs to collide with another SR to trigger a paradox. But as I said, if we aren't playing by LoK rules, the timeline can be altered at Kain's whim. By the way, prep time isn't specified in the OP, so Kain hasn't got access to a Time-Streaming Device or the Chronoplast. If Moebius can time travel without a device, as the Scion Kain could possibly do it too (he would be more limited than him). It doesn't seem far fetched when we have Azimuth summoning demons from another dimension.

Kain probably can do a lot of the things the Guardians can do, reason being that now hes the Scion of balance hes sort of the connection between all of them. Infact, even the balance Guardian has a lot of control over all magic in Nosgoth, so potentially not only could Kain do things the Guardians have done but he may be able to limit Draculas own magic use.

However, Kain has not done this and these ideas rest on some speculation. It cannot really be proven Kain can travel through time by himself, as cool as that would be (trust me, I would be all for that being another one of Kains powers 😉 ) has never happened because we did not get another game after Defiance.

Its also hard to make people understand why Kain should be able to do some of these things because not everyone understands the legacy of kain lore. As Scion of balance his power is even greater than it was any time before then, he has ascended and the corruption that stopped him from using so much power as was his Birthright was purified by Raziel.

Kain has also re-absorbed the Souls of his vampire sons by absorbing the purified Reaver from Raziel which healed him. Its likely not only does he gain the enchantments Raziel gained from them but hem ay also have acquired the elemental reavers Raziel collected during the games. Like ice, fire, earth etc.

Of course, Kain can control time with the reaver anyway, he can slow it down to a crawl using the emblem.

Dracula win here guys...

In a beauty contest maybe.