Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku can't disintegrate a dozen attackers with a flick of his wrist,
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
It's stated in the book... He literally charges her and it's explicitly stated that without the enhancements of the BM she wouldn't have been able to evade him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku can't disintegrate a dozen attackers with a flick of his wrist, or turn people to ash with a one-handed blast of lightning. Bane is superior to him.
Were these people Force Users? Because Dooku pwned 3 Force Users simultaneously with his lightning while drugged and blind.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Neither can Bane without outside powers.
He has the orbalisks here, dingus.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Were these people Force Users? Because Dooku pwned 3 Force Users simultaneously with his lightning while drugged and blind.
2 Nightsisters and Ventress. Its unknown if any of them possess a defense against Force Lightning.
Bane senses the dark side there, but its hardly a nexus. There's no indication he's drawing on anything except the orbalisks for power.
Of course this is all irrelevant since Bane disintegrates the technobeasts multiple times and even disintegrating half of what he does, its still superior to what Dooku is capable of. Any amp couldn't be so significant as to write off the feat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane senses the dark side there, but its hardly a nexus. There's no indication he's drawing on anything except the orbalisks for power.Of course this is all irrelevant since Bane disintegrates the technobeasts multiple times and even disintegrating half of what he does, its still superior to what Dooku is capable of.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
There's no proof that Bane can accomplish the same feat on neutral ground.
What utter horseshit. Any amount of thought tells you he could, perhaps to a slightly lesser extent. Nowhere is it stated that he was boosted by the dark side there, especially not to the extent that he could disintegrate a dozen technobeasts more than normal.
Disintegrating half a dozen technobeasts is a superior level of destructive TK to what Dooku is capable of. So even if you have evidence that the dark side was so powerful that Bane was doubled in power its irrelevant.
Of course though, that's absurd. Just like your argument.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
You mean aside from Ventress deflecting his lightning in a later episode? Also FL is their signature move.
She does?
Nightsisters don't wield lightsabers, there's no reason to think they'd know how to block lightning with them. And there's nothing in their section of the Book of Sith detailing any method of blocking lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
What utter horseshit. Any amount of thought tells you he could, perhaps to a slightly lesser extent. Nowhere is it stated that he was boosted by the dark side there, especially not to the extent that he could disintegrate a dozen technobeasts more than normal.Disintegrating [b]half
a dozen technobeasts is a superior level of destructive TK to what Dooku is capable of. So even if you have evidence that the dark side was so powerful that Bane was doubled in power its irrelevant. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
She does?Nightsisters don't wield lightsabers, there's no reason to think they'd know how to block lightning with them. And there's nothing in their section of the Book of Sith detailing any method of blocking lightning.
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Obi-Wan had never encountered FL before his encounter with Dooku, but he still casually deflected the blast with his saber. It's common sense, and even if not Ventress would just tell them 'Yo, block it with your saber'.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't give two shits about your speculation. Bane was in (on?) a location where the dark side was very strong and, unless he's an inadequate idiot, would have drawn on it to amplify his own powers. It stands to reason that to claim he can accomplish the same feat without a power boost, as significant or insignificant it may be, requires more reasonable evidence than offered.
I'd rather call it 'not being an idiot' than speculation. Its readily apparent that the darkside at Darzu's fortress (which wasn't stated to be 'very strong', you're exaggerating) isn't enough to significant increase Bane's power to an extent that he couldn't perform a slightly weaker version of the feat. Which is what I suggested he be capable of. It wasn't exhausting to him, hence why he performs the same feat multiple times and continues fighting for an hour. No normal darkside nexus in the mythos has amped someone to twice their ability. To suggest it as a possibility is utter hilarity. The far more logical suggestion is that he could replicate the feat to a lesser extent, maybe only disintegrating 10 instead of 12. Theres no reason to suggest otherwise beyond simple bias.
I need no evidence. My logical reasoning hasn't been remotely dealt with, because you know that you have no counter argument other than to stick your fingers in your ears and scream for evidence.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
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Obi-Wan had never encountered FL before his encounter with Dooku, but he still casually deflected the blast with his saber. It's common sense, and even if not Ventress would just tell them 'Yo, block it with your saber'.
Ok.
Obi-Wan is a Jedi and is taught how to do use the technique needed to absorb lightning into a blade. He doesn't need to have encountered it to know how to block it. The Nightsisters don't. Its not as simple as just holding up a lightsaber. If it was, then Dooku overpowering them would be irrelevant since not one holds their lightsaber up when he zaps them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok.Obi-Wan is a Jedi and is taught how to do use the technique needed to absorb lightning into a blade. He doesn't need to have encountered it to know how to block it. The Nightsisters don't. Its not as simple as just holding up a lightsaber. If it was, then Dooku overpowering them would be irrelevant since not one holds their lightsaber up when he zaps them.
I am obviously simplifying things, my point is that Nightsisters signature tech is FL. Its really not a stretch that they know how to defend against it. Especially considering that up until she returns to the Nightsisters Ventress not once shows the ability to counter FL
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd rather call it 'not being an idiot' than speculation. Its readily apparent that the darkside at Darzu's fortress (which wasn't stated to be 'very strong', you're exaggerating) isn't enough to significant increase Bane's power to an extent that he couldn't perform a slightly weaker version of the feat. Which is what I suggested he be capable of. It wasn't exhausting to him, hence why he performs the same feat multiple times and continues fighting for an hour. No normal darkside nexus in the mythos has amped someone to twice their ability. To suggest it as a possibility is utter hilarity. The far more logical suggestion is that he could replicate the feat to a lesser extent, maybe only disintegrating 10 instead of 12. Theres no reason to suggest otherwise beyond simple bias.I need no evidence. My logical reasoning hasn't been remotely dealt with, because you know that you have no counter argument other than to stick your fingers in your ears and scream for evidence.
Many kilometers away he sensed a concentration of power. He'd located the source of the dark side energy that permeated the forest around him, radiating power like a beacon emitting a homing signal.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I am obviously simplifying things, my point is that Nightsisters signature tech is FL. Its really not a stretch that they know how to defend against it. Especially considering that up until she returns to the Nightsisters Ventress not once shows the ability to counter FL
Well as I said, they don't use lightsabers and I don't think they use any other weapon they could use to block lightning. They might well be able to, but theres no evidence of them doing so anywhere and no mention of such abilities in Talzin's writings. They aren't shown attempting to block Dooku's lightning, so meh. They could have just been caught off-guard like Ventress was in assuming Dooku was finished.
Also, I don't believe Ventress has been in a position to need to block lightning before that episode, so we don't know if it was recently learned.
Either way, this isn't proof that Dooku's lightning is comparable to Banes in its power. Banes lightning turning people into ash trumps Dooku's by quite a bit imo. Mundi would be one-shot.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Oh no, Bane sensed it from kilometers away, that totally proves absolutely ****ing nothing.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well as I said, they don't use lightsabers and I don't think they use any other weapon they could use to block lightning. They might well be able to, but theres no evidence of them doing so anywhere and no mention of such abilities in Talzin's writings. They aren't shown attempting to block Dooku's lightning, so meh. They could have just been caught off-guard like Ventress was in assuming Dooku was finished.
Eh I think it was more the intensity of the blast than them just being caught off guard.
Also, I don't believe Ventress has been in a position to need to block lightning before that episode, so we don't know if it was recently learned.
We know Dooku explicitly didn't teach Savage how, there's no reason the same couldn't be said for Sidious.
Either way, this isn't proof that Dooku's lightning is comparable to Banes in its power. Banes lightning turning people into ash trumps Dooku's by quite a bit imo. Mundi would be one-shot.
I mean I know it was a vision but Dooku massacres at least half a dozen- a dozen Clone Troopers before he fights Skywalker in TCWs one-handed.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I mean I know it was a vision but Dooku massacres at least half a dozen- a dozen Clone Troopers before he fights Skywalker in TCWs one-handed.
I'm also disinclined to admit Dooku's feats in Sidious's vision quest. That same vision had Anakin beating him fairly quickly.