What is preventing Surfer from being a trans tier character???

The question speaks for itself. Lets say if Surfer wasn't a pacifist...would he move up a tier?.

No, because we see how he performs against true Trans Tiers. He loses.

He's an elite High Herald and there's no shame in that.

His combat feats of course. When was the last time he beat an actual high herald in direct combat and no suckering BRB doesn't counts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
His combat feats of course. When was the last time he beat an actual high herald in direct combat and no suckering BRB doesn't counts.

This^

Surfer is so not cool anymore. The last thing I ever remember him being cool about was remaking Storm Breaker and reviving BRB.

Thor, Thor is preventing him from moving up

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor, Thor is preventing him from moving up

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Originally posted by abhilegend
His combat feats of course. When was the last time he beat an actual high herald in direct combat and no suckering BRB doesn't counts.

Yea, I agree. He has bouts of looking trans-ish, but then faced with high heralds his performance hasn't really changed much.

I'd say getting mugged and hog tied by a mariachi band drops him a few steps. But hey, that's just me.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I'd say getting mugged and hog tied by a mariachi band drops him a few steps. But hey, that's just me.

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If he wasn't a pacifist, used speed and reflexes more, used more exotic powers instead of plain blasts, then he would be easily trans

Originally posted by carver9
The question speaks for itself. Lets say if Surfer wasn't a pacifist...would he move up a tier?.

Has Thanos ever dropped like a stone after getting knocked out of his chair?

'Nuff said.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
This^

Surfer is so not cool anymore. The last thing I ever remember him being cool about was remaking Storm Breaker and reviving BRB.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Spider-Man could do that, too

How?

Look through Trans. and it's hard to find many wins for Surfer. I get that some want to see the best in him while simultaneously taking only average or lowball showings from others. But if we're equally fair to both sides, there aren't many wins waiting for him on the other side of that tier line. And frankly, even non-CIS, non-PIS, bloodlust, no holds barred, whatever-else-you-can-think-of Surfer would get wrecked by the majority of Trans.

I'll concede a couple. Matchup problems + the bottom 3-4 in Trans., and there's a good case to be made for a few good matches. But really, he's just kinda where he belongs...at the top of the HH tier, along with the other stalwarts of HH like Kal and Thor.

srug

Originally posted by Digi
Look through Trans. and it's hard to find many wins for Surfer. I get that some want to see the best in him while simultaneously taking only average or lowball showings from others. But if we're equally fair to both sides, there aren't many wins waiting for him on the other side of that tier line. And frankly, even non-CIS, non-PIS, bloodlust, no holds barred, whatever-else-you-can-think-of Surfer would get wrecked by the majority of Trans.

I'll concede a couple. Matchup problems + the bottom 3-4 in Trans., and there's a good case to be made for a few good matches. But really, he's just kinda where he belongs...at the top of the HH tier, along with the other stalwarts of HH like Kal and Thor.

srug

Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer. Surfer has Ftl speed and reflexes. He can phase through any attacks or just avoid them with speed. He has black hole blasts that will outright kill any average Trans instantly.

Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer. Surfer has Ftl speed and reflexes. He can phase through any attacks or just avoid them with speed. He has black hole blasts that will outright kill any average Trans instantly.

Not sure if you're joking or not.

I'm familiar with his abilities. But my point stands. The majority of Trans. wrecks him, especially if we grant everyone absurdly specific use of their best powers like you just did.

Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer.

Anywho, most elite herald-class characters have operated well beyond that tier, and preformed Trans-level, or Skyfather, or even Abstract-esque feats, on multiple occasions. Surfer is certainly not 'special' in that regard. That's why high-end feats alone aren't the sole method in which a character is gauged. 🙂

Ignore h1. I'm sure skyfathers have encountered Surfer. How did his fight with Odin or Gaea went BTW?

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