What is preventing Surfer from being a trans tier character???

Originally posted by Galan007
ElOhEl. Skyfathers are capable of giving Galactus himself a run for his money. How on earth you think a being whom only wields an insignificant micro-fraction of Galactus' PC(ie. Surfer) could legitimately defeat a Skyfather, truly boggles the mind.

Anywho, most elite herald-class characters have operated well beyond that tier, and preformed Trans-level, or Skyfather, or even Abstract-esque feats, on multiple occasions. Surfer is certainly not 'special' in that regard. That's why high-end feats aren't the sole method in which a character is gauged. 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
The question speaks for itself. Lets say if Surfer wasn't a pacifist...would he move up a tier?.

An upgrade from Galactus.

Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer. Surfer has Ftl speed and reflexes. He can phase through any attacks or just avoid them with speed. He has black hole blasts that will outright kill any average Trans instantly.

What is preventing Surfer from being a trans tier character???.... the "genius" of KMC asks.

and i answer : his fights and showings .... his fights and showings

😐

Originally posted by tkitna

I know right. You'd think that he doesn't read comics at all, or blatantly ignores what's in them. Odin one shot KO'd Surfer.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know right. You'd think that he doesn't read comics at all, or blatantly ignores what's in them. Odin one shot KO'd Surfer.

Originally posted by Galan007
ElOhEl. Skyfathers are capable of giving Galactus himself a run for his money. How on earth you think a being whom only wields an insignificant micro-fraction of Galactus' PC(ie. Surfer) could legitimately defeat a Skyfather, truly boggles the mind.

Anywho, most elite herald-class characters have operated well beyond that tier, and preformed Trans-level, or Skyfather, or even Abstract-esque feats, on multiple occasions. Surfer is certainly not 'special' in that regard. That's why high-end feats alone aren't the sole method in which a character is gauged. 🙂

Skyfathers giving Galactus a run for his money is no different than a herald giving a skyfather a run for his money. You said yourself that characters operate outside of their tier multiple times (above and below). As you will see below, high end feats are not the basis of my argument.

Logical speaking, the amount of power in itself is irrelevant. Power doesn't prove anything by itself. Power is only relevant in itself if all other things are equal. It's what you do with the power along with how much power. In addition to this, it can take a smaller amount of power to cause greater damage. For example, the president can use the power of his fingers to hit a button to send a nuke to another country.
Surfer has powers that can indirectly cause greater damage than his output. For example, he can create singularities by causing a small amount of matter and energy to collapse upon itself.

Logical speaking again, what goes on in a comic is irrelevant to what happens in a forum fight if PIS was involved.

Surfer does have FTL speed and reflexes. He doesn't uses it in comics often due to PIS. The number of times something happens doesn't determine PIS. PIS is something that goes against the ACCEPTED FACTS IN COMICS. Surfer has ftl speed and reflexes. This is a fact. In a non plot driven setting (a forum setting) Surfer would be nigh hard to hit by a much slower being (Skyfathers). Not only that, he has shown some nasty attacks that can even kill skyfathers. He doesn't use those types of attacks often though. You can argue CIS there but my point is that a no holds barred Surfer (CIS off) will use them and succeed.

Odin also has FTL showings though.

****, Thor does, and his attacks are stated FTL to support that on a few occasions.

Odin is also more versatile than Surfer. Even Old King Thor in God of Thunder could open a ****ing black hole, which is your cited "Super cool punching above weight class" attack Surfer would rely on.

Originally posted by Digi
Not sure if you're joking or not.

I'm familiar with his abilities. But my point stands. The majority of Trans. wrecks him, especially if we grant everyone absurdly specific use of their best powers like you just did.

I'd take 10 Brucies over that

Originally posted by NemeBro
Odin also has FTL showings though.

****, Thor does, and his attacks are stated FTL to support that on a few occasions.

Odin is also more versatile than Surfer. Even Old King Thor in God of Thunder could open a ****ing black hole, which is your cited "Super cool punching above weight class" attack Surfer would rely on.

Show me FTL combat speed and reflex feats by Odin. Traveling FTL doesn't count since Odin has to achieve those speeds withing battle distance.

Odin opening a black hole (needs to be proven though) has nothing to do with Surfer doing it.

Originally posted by carver9
The question speaks for itself. Lets say if Surfer wasn't a pacifist...would he move up a tier?.

Originally posted by Digi
Not sure if you're joking or not.

I'm familiar with his abilities. But my point stands. The majority of Trans. wrecks him, especially if we grant everyone absurdly specific use of their best powers like you just did.

Can Surfer stop time? Has he done it before.?.

Originally posted by carver9
Can Surfer stop time? Has he done it before.?.

awesome

But Hal is from DC. Marvel characters on KMC can have feats that they never presented, but DC characters such as superman getting intangible or moving at light speeds and having reflex at those levels does not count.

Originally posted by h1a8
Show me FTL combat speed and reflex feats by Odin. Traveling FTL doesn't count since Odin has to achieve those speeds withing battle distance.

Odin opening a black hole (needs to be proven though) has nothing to do with Surfer doing it.

Old King Thor whose Odinforce was almost depleted could do it, you'd have to be a simpering moron to think Odin couldn't.

It has a lot to do with it actually, since it means Odin has control over the forces Surfer would try to kill him with.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
But Hal is from DC. Marvel characters on KMC can have feats that they never presented, but DC characters such as superman getting intangible or moving at light speeds and having reflex at those levels does not count.

Honestly the idea that Surfer is just going to easily beat people who someone with the exact same powers as him x a million (and is also smarter and more experienced) has trouble with with, is laughable.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ah I see, you're one of those funny guys who believes that if a character moves a great amount of distance while fighting, somehow it doesn't count as a combat speed feat. Also, Thor having those feats pretty much translates to his much more powerful father, especially considering he created most of the enchantments Mjolnir benefits from.

Old King Thor whose Odinforce was almost depleted could do it, you'd have to be a simpering moron to think Odin couldn't.

It has a lot to do with it actually, since it means Odin has control over the forces Surfer would try to kill him with.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Honestly the idea that Surfer is just going to easily beat people who someone with the exact same powers as him x a million (and is also smarter and more experienced) has trouble with with, is laughable.

Originally posted by h1a8
Show me FTL combat speed and reflex feats by Odin.

Show me FTL combat speed and reflex by Galactus. Oh you can't? Welp I guess Surfer > Galactus.

Also show me FTL speed/reflex by The Living Tribunal as well.. ah none either? Welp, Surfer > LT.

Originally posted by h1a8

no one has surfers speed and reflexes. That's the problem. Also we have fighting styles. I don't see skyfathers becoming intangible while fighting.

Thanos must since he beats Surfer every time they meet. Also, sky fathers not becoming intangible while fighting doesn't mean they can't. They probably just refuse as theres no reason to do so. They are sky fathers after all. The Vision can become intangible too, but how often does he lose?