DOE Bane vs. Revan (Novel)

Precognition isn't that useful if you're too slow to actually do anything with it. Knowing where Bane will strike doesn't mean that Revan would be fast enough to put his lightsaber in the way before Bane cuts him down.

"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."

Bane didn't actually kill Raskta, Zannah stabbed her in the back.

That was Jedi Malak before the Mandalorian Wars even started.

That Malak also got beaten by Jareal in training, he was a total assclown.

Gee, maybe it was because Revan had the Force and Mandalore had an axe. Just a suggestion.

This is not even mentioned Mandalore's armor is made with lightsaber-proof material. It is extremely difficult to overcome it.

Defeating non-force sensitive Echani doesn't even compare to defeating a Jedi Master Echani.

No. Bane would demolish Revan in a lightsaber fight.

Revan slaughterhouse.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You really doubt Revan's speed, don' you? Also, he would know where Bane would strike several attacks ahead of time, not a few mili-seconds before. This is not a "auto-win" as some make it out to be, but it should be able to allow him to hold his own against Bane in terms of lightsaber abilities.

"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."

When Revan displays impressive speed, I'll stop harping on about it. Until then, he's fighting one of the fastest characters there is and he's simply outmatched in that aspect. Just knowing several moves in advance won't save him. He still won't be able to keep up. He'll block a couple of attacks, but he won't be able to block near fast enough to avoid being overwhelmed.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This isn't helping your argument.

It wasn't supposed to, I was just correcting you.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. Malak vs Mandalore happened in 3963 BBY.

Ok, my bad.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Under the circumstances that he was flirting and teasing (not even joking, look at the fight)with Jareal the entire fight.

This still isn't making me respect Malak at all. For being the 'second best Jedi of his era', he seems to be pretty shite.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Despite this, Mandalore the Indomitable is still able to hold his own against Droma and Ultimate is able to whoop Malak's ass.

This is not even mentioned Mandalore's armor is made with lightsaber-proof material. It is extremely difficult to overcome it.

With a Basalisk War Droid. Malak is just incompetent.

Ok, but I still don't see defeating him as anywhere near as impressive as being superior to Raskta. Revan still could have just beaten him with the Force.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*Defeating hundreds of Echanis who are masters of precognition.

Still only non-force sensitives.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If Revan is capable of holding off Nox and Wrath at the same time, while having grenades and blaster fire sprayed at him, I beg to differ. Bane was not capable of defeating Zaanah.

This was Nox and Wrath before they were Nox and the Wrath. At the time both were barely christened Sith Lords. Both were still powerful, but not compared to what they would become. Hell, at the time I would say the Bounty Hunter was every bit their equal. And if Cipher 9 had beaten Jadus s/he'd easily be the strongest one there other than Revan himself.

Zannah was stated to be more powerful than Bane and had trained specifically to defeat him.

When Revan displays impressive speed, I'll stop harping on about it. Until then, he's fighting one of the fastest characters there is and he's simply outmatched in that aspect. Just knowing several moves in advance won't save him. He still won't be able to keep up. He'll block a couple of attacks, but he won't be able to block near fast enough to avoid being overwhelmed.

For being the 'second best Jedi of his era', he seems to be pretty shite.

Revan still could have just beaten him with the Force.

Still only non-force sensitives.

Zannah was stated to be more powerful than Bane

Bane in PoD was skilled enough to hold his ground against a master of all 7 forms despite being disadvantaged, and he appears to have increased considerably in skill between then and DoE, his defensive prowess displayed during his rain feat and his offensive prowess displayed when he was winning against a high-level Soresu master. He exemplified a style of combat that had a strong defense, and an overwhelming offensive counterattack--A strategy that held little weakness overall.

Conversely, Revan pre-KOTOR was already skilled enough to outmatch the strongest non-force sensitive warrior in the galaxy, as well as his apprentice--Malak in a lightsaber duel, as well as having battle precognition on the level of the master Echani. Unlike Bane, however, he doesn't seem to show significant improvement after this--though he does slaughter an Imperial Guardsman while weakened, and they have their fair share of accolades. Revan exemplified a more balanced style more fit for allowing him to chain Force attacks freely, but did display highly acrobatic and offensive capabilities as well.

While both are highly skilled martial artists, Bane definitely seems to be advantageous in this area, as his style is more suited for pure saber-to-saber combat, and his better feats. Not to mention the fact that his strength and speed feats do widely outstrip Revan's, though Revan should be more than able to keep up with his advanced battle precognition but it's still a significant disadvantage. Still, he was strong enough to hold out against both Mandalore and Malak, and fast enough to form a shield out of his lightsaber blade--He should be more than capable to stand his ground in this duel.

Their closer contest is likely their contest of Force Powers over combat capabilities. Both have displayed the ability to conjure Force Storms of unknown level of power, and both have displayed the ability of Force Drain again to an unknown level of effectiveness against other Force Users. Ultimately since this is a one on one match, neither power will likely come into play.

Bane has highly capable telekinetic showings, his best likely being sending a Force Wave that shattered the bones and smashed the organs of guardsmen in the stone prison, cracking the walls with impact.

Likewise, Revan hasn't displayed TK feats of quite that level of raw power (Though Karpyshyn indicates that under the right circumstances he could collapse a building.) he has been displayed using it more strategically--Throwing large stone lids as shields against grenades, and collapsing stone arches to stop the advances of Sith.

Just as they both have impressive Telekinetic capability, they both have shown capability with Force Protection--Bane was able to use a barrier to protect himself from multiple grenade blasts while weakened by Cognus, while Revan was able to conjure the highest level of Force Protection--A Force Protection Bubble, of unknown strength during his fight with the Sith Strike Team.

In the end though, Bane's greatest and favored Force Power is Force Lightning--Which is one of the most potent in the mythos, capable of incinerating multiple people at once as well as absorbing blaster bolts into the storm and melting blasters. Conversely, Revan's strongest suit is tutaminis--The ability to absorb and redirect energy attacks, which conveniently would work perfectly at rendering Bane's lightning a disadvantage.

In the end, their Force Powers are of honestly very close level--But as a whole I'd give Revan the edge in that department. His skillsets seem to counter Bane's well, and while Bane does have some tricks up his sleeve like the Lightning Cocoon, Revan has a wider variety of powers at his disposal and greater overall mastery of the Force in general, having highly potent Force Healing for an example.

And as a side note, as it's often brought up, Revan's tactical genius and mental strength likely won't play an overwhelming role in this pitched battle against an enemy with an equally strong will and a perhaps lesser, but still potent calculative mind. It really won't help him any more than Bane's unorthodox lightsaber design will hinder him.

So, in the end--Bane's advantage in the lightsaber/physical department is likely greater and of more significance in this fight than Revan's Force Edge--So I'll grant him the win.

Imho this is one of the closer fights though.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You act as if he can't booster his speed? Regardless, Revan has at least demonstrated after images and blurs with his lightsaber.

He can bolster his speed to an unknown level. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt based upon his power and saying that he's fast enough that Bane shouldn't be capable to blitzing him, but beyond that he's not known to be exceptionally fast. Demonstrating after images and blurs is something any above average Jedi is capable of imo. Bane appeared to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah and DoE Bane is stated to be even faster than he was at that time.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Or Mandalore is that powerful? Or it was similar to the Hett vs Anakin fight where if Malak/Anakin was ready, they could have done better.

Well it wasn't really about power, all Mandalore did was smash his axe on the floor and it released some weird energy blast that stunned Malak.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It is specified that it's "single combat", and every depiction of the battle has no force abilities shown.

You can use Force powers in single combat. All that single combat is is a duel between two single warriors which takes place in the context of a battle between two armies. The only depiction I can recall is the timeline thing which is inaccurate and in-universe. It also showed Bastila fighting Malak on the Star Forge.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*non-force sensitives with better precognition then Palpatine.

You really overrate precog.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
With such said, I don't see why Revan can't be as well.

Theres no reason he can't be. I just don't think he is.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Bane in PoD was skilled enough to hold his ground against a master of all 7 forms despite being disadvantaged, and he appears to have increased considerably in skill between then and DoE, his defensive prowess displayed during his rain feat and his offensive prowess displayed when he was winning against a high-level Soresu master. He exemplified a style of combat that had a strong defense, and an overwhelming offensive counterattack--A strategy that held little weakness overall.

Conversely, Revan pre-KOTOR was already skilled enough to outmatch the strongest non-force sensitive warrior in the galaxy, as well as his apprentice--Malak in a lightsaber duel, as well as having battle precognition on the level of the master Echani. Unlike Bane, however, he doesn't seem to show significant improvement after this--though he does slaughter an Imperial Guardsman while weakened, and they have their fair share of accolades. Revan exemplified a more balanced style more fit for allowing him to chain Force attacks freely, but did display highly acrobatic and offensive capabilities as well.

While both are highly skilled martial artists, Bane definitely seems to be advantageous in this area, as his style is more suited for pure saber-to-saber combat, and his better feats. Not to mention the fact that his strength and speed feats do widely outstrip Revan's, though Revan should be more than able to keep up with his advanced battle precognition but it's still a significant disadvantage. Still, he was strong enough to hold out against both Mandalore and Malak, and fast enough to form a shield out of his lightsaber blade--He should be more than capable to stand his ground in this duel.

Their closer contest is likely their contest of Force Powers over combat capabilities. Both have displayed the ability to conjure Force Storms of unknown level of power, and both have displayed the ability of Force Drain again to an unknown level of effectiveness against other Force Users. Ultimately since this is a one on one match, neither power will likely come into play.

Bane has highly capable telekinetic showings, his best likely being sending a Force Wave that shattered the bones and smashed the organs of guardsmen in the stone prison, cracking the walls with impact.

Likewise, Revan hasn't displayed TK feats of quite that level of raw power (Though Karpyshyn indicates that under the right circumstances he could collapse a building.) he has been displayed using it more strategically--Throwing large stone lids as shields against grenades, and collapsing stone arches to stop the advances of Sith.

Just as they both have impressive Telekinetic capability, they both have shown capability with Force Protection--Bane was able to use a barrier to protect himself from multiple grenade blasts while weakened by Cognus, while Revan was able to conjure the highest level of Force Protection--A Force Protection Bubble, of unknown strength during his fight with the Sith Strike Team.

In the end though, Bane's greatest and favored Force Power is Force Lightning--Which is one of the most potent in the mythos, capable of incinerating multiple people at once as well as absorbing blaster bolts into the storm and melting blasters. Conversely, Revan's strongest suit is tutaminis--The ability to absorb and redirect energy attacks, which conveniently would work perfectly at rendering Bane's lightning a disadvantage.

In the end, their Force Powers are of honestly very close level--But as a whole I'd give Revan the edge in that department. His skillsets seem to counter Bane's well, and while Bane does have some tricks up his sleeve like the Lightning Cocoon, Revan has a wider variety of powers at his disposal and greater overall mastery of the Force in general, having highly potent Force Healing for an example.

And as a side note, as it's often brought up, Revan's tactical genius and mental strength likely won't play an overwhelming role in this pitched battle against an enemy with an equally strong will and a perhaps lesser, but still potent calculative mind. It really won't help him any more than Bane's unorthodox lightsaber design will hinder him.

So, in the end--Bane's advantage in the lightsaber/physical department is likely greater and of more significance in this fight than Revan's Force Edge--So I'll grant him the win.

Imho this is one of the closer fights though.

I also forgot to mention Bane's new canonical armor set, which gives him the advantage of being the ****ing shredder from ninja turtles. Insta-win. 😐