Shaak Ti vs. Savage Opress

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He was able to attack him, per the text; all of his attempts were just blocked. Paratus' legs didn't help Marek, but he definitely weren't the more skillful of the two.

I know. Hence why I wrote that he wasn't able to successfully attack him, not that he couldn't attack him at all.

So anyway, you admit that Paratus was not beating him?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
lol

Which was why he was using Soresu, to compensate.

Um, yeah. He was just blocking her attacks while he recovered physically and mentally.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He beat her with the Force, not with his lightsaber.

He distracted her with the Force, he didn't beat her with it. Also, if she was his equal then he wouldn't have been able to use the Force in such a flamboyant manner without her pressing him in lightsabers.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Because, as I said, she was unfamilar with the style he used. He was overwhelming her because of her lack of knowledge of Juyo, not because he was a more skilled swordsman.

Which only means that. Not that he couldn't overwhelm her with a style she was familiar with. He did not need to switch to it, he just did so.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Actually, I didn't miss it. If I was only going off the excerpt I provided, then I would have claimed that Kota was better, but I said they were even because of what occurs afterwards.

You mean where Galen pulls off a Soresu victory with him wearing Kota down and striking him when he gets sloppy? The exact thing someone using Soresu should be doing?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Don't be ridiculous. It's reasonable to opine that, because of her lack of using her lightsaber, her level of skill would be lower than in the PT. But even if she was still as skilled in TFU as in the PT, Asajj and Plo are more skilled than her. As the scan you provided yesterday confirmed, Ti was forced to retreat fast, whereas Ventress regularly gives Anakin trouble. Plo was even with Ventress, so the same should go for him.

And I suppose she taught Maris Brood how to fight with sticks instead of lightsabers, did she? 🙄

ABC logic. Ventress didn't give pissed-off dark side RotS Anakin a hard fight. In fact, as I recall he beat the shit out of her the last time they fought in CW. And Plo isn't more skilled than her. Plus Savage beat him by pulling his mask off when he was distracted, not in lightsaber combat.

Also, Shaak Ti was giving Galen Marek a tough time in combat. Marek was able to deal with Vaders strength and in TFUII his clone would toss a TIE fighter with his bare hands. So I don't think Savages strength would do much good here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus Savage beat him by pulling his mask off when he was distracted, not in lightsaber combat.

I don't remeber Plo being distracted?

Savage never wins through pure Saber skills. He pounds on his foes with his strength, whether they be Lightsaber blows or Physical blows), and uses his tremendous Raw TK Power on them.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well to be fair so are most the council members, including Fisto, Tiin and Kolar. But I doubt any of them would take Opress for a majority.

Tfu shaak ti would pwn savage due to her sexyness and fine ass

Originally posted by PTforthewin
they all can take savage

Together? Sure.

Individually? Well they have a shot, but would all lose a vast majority. Savage is just too strong and powerful for them, as he has shown against Plo Koon and Asajj Ventress.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't remeber Plo being distracted?

Savage never wins through pure Saber skills. He pounds on his foes with his strength, whether they be Lightsaber blows or Physical blows), and uses his tremendous Raw TK Power on them.

Didn't one of his clone troops get shot and he was all like 'oh snap!'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't one of his clone troops get shot and he was all like 'oh snap!'

Will have to check.

Shaak-Ti.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Plus she spent years on Felucia to gain that kind of control over the environment there.

Also TFU.. Not canon now I believe.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Together? Sure.

Individually? Well they have a shot, but would all lose a vast majority. Savage is just too strong and powerful for them, as he has shown against Plo Koon and Asajj Ventress.

Shaak Ti dominates this. She's been toted by canon to be one of the greatest swordmasters in the order.

Accolades:
"Do I need to demonstrate what responses you can expect from Shaak Ti or Obi-Wan Kenobi? From Mace Windu or, stars help you, Yoda?"

"Anakin, he was defended by Stass Allie and Shaak Ti. If two
Masters could not prevent this, do you think you could?"

"Master Ti had faced him before, Anakin. After Muunilinst. She
is not only subtle and experienced, but very capable indeed."

"He lacks entirely the flash, the pure bold elan of an Anakin Skywalker; there is nowhere in him the penumbral ferocity of a Mace Windu or a Depa Billaba nor the stylish grace of a Shaak Ti or a Dooku."

Not to mention

"You have defeated a tired old man and an outcast. You will not be ready to face the Emperor until you have faced a true Jedi Master."

The last quote is key because of Vader clearly saying that
"Kazdan Paratus is far more powerful than you..."
And was able to use the force to control an army of thousands of battledroids.

Also technically speaking didn't Shaak Ti defeat Marek on a nexus?

And which scan were you talking about Intrepid?

Originally posted by PTforthewin
windu, yoda,

Obviously. Those 2 are always the exceptional cases.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
obi wan,

Kenobi can, and has. But he's also been battered by Opress in other fights.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
plo koon was distracted btw

I don't remember that, but will recheck when I get a chance. Anyone got a scan? Because I've left that comic at my parents house.

Anyway if there was a distraction it was nothing major that stood out. Opress simply battered Koon.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
also Saesee Tinn, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolor could all take him 1 on 1

No, not at all. Opress has battered Ventress who can take any of those 3. He's given Dooku trouble which is beyond those 3. And Dave Filoni confirmed that Opress's performance against Sidious was better than all those 3 combined.

http://www.idoc.co/read/2489/star-wars-the-clone-wars-the-sith-hunters/70

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well that explains why you were so wrong. Did all the big words make it too hard for you to read, Intrepi-chan? Next time actually read the book before you try to throw info about it around.

For other reasons. I doubt anyone would say that they aren't more skilled than him.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Shaak Ti dominates this. She's been toted by canon to be one of the greatest swordmasters in the order.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And which scan were you talking about Intrepid?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I know. Hence why I wrote that he wasn't able to successfully attack him, not that he couldn't attack him at all.

So anyway, you admit that Paratus was not beating him?

Paratus was clearly the better fighter, bro.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, yeah. He was just blocking her attacks while he recovered physically and mentally.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He distracted her with the Force, he didn't beat her with it. Also, if she was his equal then he wouldn't have been able to use the Force in such a flamboyant manner without her pressing him in lightsabers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which only means that. Not that he couldn't overwhelm her with a style she was familiar with. He did not need to switch to it, he just did so.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean where Galen pulls off a Soresu victory with him wearing Kota down and striking him when he gets sloppy? The exact thing someone using Soresu should be doing?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And I suppose she taught Maris Brood how to fight with sticks instead of lightsabers, did she? 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
ABC logic. Ventress didn't give pissed-off dark side RotS Anakin a hard fight. In fact, as I recall he beat the shit out of her the last time they fought in CW.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Plo isn't more skilled than her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus Savage beat him by pulling his mask off when he was distracted, not in lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also, Shaak Ti was giving Galen Marek a tough time in combat. Marek was able to deal with Vaders strength and in TFUII his clone would toss a TIE fighter with his bare hands. So I don't think Savages strength would do much good here.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Obviously. Those 2 are always the exceptional cases.

Kenobi can, and has. But he's also been battered by Opress in other fights.

I don't remember that, but will recheck when I get a chance. Anyone got a scan? Because I've left that comic at my parents house.

Anyway if there was a distraction it was nothing major that stood out. Opress simply battered Koon. Any council member can take savage and win

No, not at all. Opress has battered Ventress who can take any of those 3. He's given Dooku trouble which is beyond those 3. And Dave Filoni confirmed that Opress's performance against Sidious was better than all those 3 combined.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
they all can take savage

Not really. Fisto's best feats are beating droids, Tiin is featless as a swordsman, and Kolar didn't even really duel Vos he kicked him and ended tried to apprehend him. All of three of them fail pretty badly at being swordsman.

According to wookieepedia Fisto managed to fight off Dooku, has casually outdueled Grievous, who has consistently gave Obi Wan hell and has even got the best of Kenobi in "The deserter" (just watched that episode the other day).

Kolar and Vos exchanged blows before Kolar quickly ended the fight with a kick. It was just that easy for Kolar. Plus, as you said, he was merely trying to capture Vos.