Shaak Ti vs. Savage Opress

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Very good.

Paratus was clearly the better fighter, bro.

Nah. Having faster mechanical legs doesn't prove anything. And as I pointed out, Marek was able to repeatedly strike him with lightning, despite being engaged in lightsaber combat and unable to put space between himself and Paratus. If Paratus was superior in the duel, I don't see how Galen could have had enough openings to attack him with the Force. Since it stands to reason that a superior duelist wouldn't give their opponent time to use Force attacks.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It remains that he never returned a counter attack when he employed Soresu.

Right, because he was weakened and was dealing with personal issues while holding her off.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I have no idea what this even means. Re-write?

He did not defeat her directly with the Force. He levitated some bones around them to distract her, then disarmed her. The fact remains that when Galen got serious, he ended the fight almost immediately.

And the fact is that he was able to use the Force in such a impractical way while still fighting her. If they were equals, then Galen shouldn't have been able to levitate objects around them without Maris taking advantage of him concentrating on that and getting the advantage in lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nothing suggests that he would overwhelm her with a familiar style.

Nothing suggests he wouldn't. Your point is that Galen 'needed' to switch to an unfamiliar style to defeat her. There's nothing to suggest that he needed to do that. He didn't need to distract her to disarm her, but he did anyway.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
This would be appropriate if Marek's intention from the start was to wear down Kota, but it never was.

I'm not sure how you think you know his intention. But the fact is that thats how Soresu works in a duel. Marek even imitates Kenobi's technique and wearing down his opponents was Obi-Wans main tactic. The fact is that Starkiller defeats Kota, so saying that they were equals is blatantly wrong.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I suppose you forgot Kenobi's fight with A'Sharad Hett. Despite that, he was still out of practice when he fought Vader.

Oh a whole one fight that was likely less than a few minutes long? Big deal. It takes thousands of hours of lightsaber training to teach an apprentice. Shaak Ti certainly had lots of lightsaber practice with Maris.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anakin only easily beat her through Force power. Each of their fights have been close with Anakin having an edge.

Nah, he still caught her hand and cracked it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I didn't say so.

So why does beating him put Savage over Shaak Ti?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Plo wasn't distracted, he was just beaten.

He looked distracted in that image Stark posted.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Marek can toss TIE fighters? That sounds a little ridiculous.

Yeah it is.

No one cares

sORRY ABOUT MY EARLIER POST.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't one of his clone troops get shot and he was all like 'oh snap!'

Yes. It's still a pretty impressive feat for Savage to be able to recognize and exploit such a fleeting moment of opportunity.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Savage never wins through pure Saber skills. He pounds on his foes with his strength, whether they be Lightsaber blows or Physical blows), and uses his tremendous Raw TK Power on them.

True, but to be fair his dueling skills are still quite impressive. While he's not good enough to win on skill alone, he is able to fend off high-level duelists until he gets an opening to pound them into submission.

Even with immense strength, you can't block blows from elite duelists without having a good level of sabre skills yourself.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
According to wookieepedia Fisto managed to fight off Dooku,

Whaaaaaaat???

Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't one of his clone troops get shot and he was all like 'oh snap!'

Originally posted by Lord Stark
http://www.idoc.co/read/2489/star-wars-the-clone-wars-the-sith-hunters/70

Ah thanks.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Yes. It's still a pretty impressive feat for Savage to be able to recognize and exploit such a fleeting moment of opportunity.

Looking at that, it seems Plo was already on his knees. He's a lot lower down than Opress. On top of that it's still a legitimate feat for Opress considering he's fighting off Plo whilst deflecting blaster fire.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Having faster mechanical legs doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And as I pointed out, Marek was able to repeatedly strike him with lightning, despite being engaged in lightsaber combat and unable to put space between himself and Paratus. If Paratus was superior in the duel, I don't see how Galen could have had enough openings to attack him with the Force. Since it stands to reason that a superior duelist wouldn't give their opponent time to use Force attacks.

Marek repeatedly struck him with lightning because Paratus ''hopped around the dilapidated chamber like a deranged jumping spider''.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Right, because he was weakened and was dealing with personal issues while holding her off.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He did not defeat her directly with the Force. He levitated some bones around them to distract her, then disarmed her. The fact remains that when Galen got serious, he ended the fight almost immediately.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And the fact is that he was able to use the Force in such a impractical way while still fighting her. If they were equals, then Galen shouldn't have been able to levitate objects around them without Maris taking advantage of him concentrating on that and getting the advantage in lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nothing suggests he wouldn't. Your point is that Galen 'needed' to switch to an unfamiliar style to defeat her. There's nothing to suggest that he needed to do that. He didn't need to distract her to disarm her, but he did anyway.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not sure how you think you know his intention. But the fact is that thats how Soresu works in a duel. Marek even imitates Kenobi's technique and wearing down his opponents was Obi-Wans main tactic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The fact is that Starkiller defeats Kota, so saying that they were equals is blatantly wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh a whole one fight that was likely less than a few minutes long? Big deal. It takes thousands of hours of lightsaber training to teach an apprentice. Shaak Ti certainly had lots of lightsaber practice with Maris.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, he still caught her hand and cracked it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So why does beating him put Savage over Shaak Ti?

Originally posted by Nephthys
He looked distracted in that image Stark posted.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah it is.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whaaaaaaat???

Once I read on Wookieepedia that Mace was able to defeat Dooku on Boz Pity. Fortunately, someone fixed that.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yet still never managed a counter attack.

That's because only a suicidal idiot would try to counterattack while psychologically and physically impaired. Marek had just blown up a rancor's head from inside and was choking and gagging on its bodily fluids. Would you try to counterattack an opponent in his place?

Under such conditions the smart thing to do is focus on defending until you've recovered sufficiently. Which is exactly what Marek did.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
The fact remains that Galen never won through sheer skill as a duelist.

Perhaps not but his sword skills still contributed greatly to his victories. Even when he uses the Force for the finishing blow he did so when he already had the upper hand in blade to blade combat. This is what happened in his duels with Vader and Kota.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
YetThe tactic to outlast an opponent is used against someone you know is superior to yourself, to compensate. By claiming Marek's intention was to replicate what Obi-Wan did against Anakin, you're basically admitting that Kota was the superior combatant.

In this case Galen wasn't trying to outlast him, he simply focused on defense in order to get a sense of how skilled his opponent was. Once he had gotten his measure he started to fight back.

Plus Galen was clearly the better swordsman, seeing as he was landing blows and Kota wasn't.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Outpacing your opponent and blocking all of their attacks sure as hell sounds as having an edge. 😬

Paratus was outpacing him because of his mechanical legs. Which don't have anything to do with lightsaber skill or force ability, wouldn't you agree? 😬

Blocking all of their attacks doesn't mean you have an edge, rofl.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Marek repeatedly struck him with lightning because Paratus ''hopped around the dilapidated chamber like a deranged jumping spider''.

You really think Paratus would just let Galen have free range to attack him with the Force? C'mon, use your brain.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yet still never managed a counter attack.

As chilled said, Galen was in no position to attempt an attack

Originally posted by Intrepid37
The fact remains that Galen never won through sheer skill as a duelist.

Again, as chilled said.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maris didn't take advantage because she couldn't concentrate on attacking him properly out of fear.

Right, because Marek was kicking her ass.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
There's nothing to suggest that he could beat her through raw skill without the element of surprise, bro.

And nothing to suggest he couldn't. Face it, your point is pointless. Galen didn't "need" to have that advantage, he just did. Unless you have actual proof that Galen could only beat her because of it or required it to gain the upper hand, I don't see why I should continue discussing this.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
The tactic to outlast an opponent is used against someone you know is superior to yourself, to compensate. Obi-Wan used the tactic against Anakin, but never against Ventress, Grievous, Maul etc. By claiming Marek's intention was to replicate what Obi-Wan did against Anakin, you're basically admitting that Kota was the superior combatant.

Once again, chilled has made an adequate response to this. Obi-Wan did use this tactic against those people, not to wear them out, but to defend until they leave openings and then counter-attack. As Galen did to Kota. Kota wasn't the superior combatant and only an utter fool like yourself would buy into that considering Marek BEAT HIM IN A LIGHTSABER DUEL. 🙄

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You don't get it, do you? Your idea was that because of Ti's performance against Marek, she would beat Savage, but Marek's lack of impressive skill feats are telling. It dosn't matter if he beat them; for you to rely on Ti's feat of pressuring Marek, you have to provide me with feats from Marek where victory is achieved through superior ability, not through outlasting, enjoying the advantage of surprise, etc.

Other than the fact that he possesses 'near perfect' lightsaber skills you mean. I don't need to prove shit, Marek is exceptionally skilled and fast and strong and Shaak Ti pressuring him greatly is better than anything Savage has done. You do not need to beat someone with your skills to be proven to be exceptionally skilled. All you need are showings to prove that you are exceptionally skilled. Though Marek did beat Darth Vader in a lightsaber fight.

This isn't even a question of skill. Of course Shaak Ti is more skilled than Savage Opress. Duh! Its about raw combat ability. Shaak Ti not only dealt with Galen in lightsabers but also in the Force. If Galen Marek couldn't overcome her with the Force then Opress won't be either.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove that her training was anywhere near as extensive as made out here.

Are you joking? Nah man, I'm sure she picked up how to use a lightsaber through osmosis, lmao. haermm

Its takes hundreds to thousands of hours to teach someone how to wield a lightsaber properly without them possessing skills already. Or them being a prodigy, which Brood obviously wasn't. Shaak Ti was a renowned lightsaber master, you seriously don't think she spent a good deal of time teaching her goddamn apprentice to wield a goddamn lightsaber? Jesus....

Originally posted by Intrepid37
When?

YouTube video

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Because Plo's skill feats and Force feats vastly outstrip Ti's own?

No they don't. haermm

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Savage was deflecting blaster fire.

He wasn't even looking at the guy.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
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Originally posted by Nephthys

He wasn't even looking at the guy.

That's... just... more impressive. Fighting a Jedi High Council member in front of him, whilst deflecting blaster fire from behind him.

And it would be a bit stupid of Plo Koon (who already seemed to be on his knees) to shout to the clone trooper to "look out" whilst he himself was not looking out in the midst of an intense Saber battle.

Plo Koon lost fair and square there.

You write too much Nephthys.

I'm sure do.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm sure do.

lol

Opress wins

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's... just... more impressive. Fighting a Jedi High Council member in front of him, whilst deflecting blaster fire from behind him.

And it would be a bit stupid of Plo Koon (who already seemed to be on his knees) to shout to the clone trooper to "look out" whilst he himself was not looking out in the midst of an intense Saber battle.

Plo Koon lost fair and square there.

Plo Koon did get distracted though. The Troopers were more of a liability than a help for him.