Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about Earth defenders beating it via plot? Tell me SOMETHING that gave you an opinion on the ENTIRETY of the Force sucking that issue. Stop saying stuff because it sounds good, Zop.
There's more though, piling on the "cosmic parasite" idiocy, there was :
a) the Iron Fist/K'un-Lun/PF connection idiocy
b) the panic over Hope hosting the PF despite the fact that Rachel Summers did it for YEARS and never once lost control
c) the fact that Phoenix only went Dark Phoenix AFTER being manipulated by Mastermind (ie it's not inherently evil, Jean never lost control without an outside force, Mastermind, tampering with her emotions)
d) the Wanda Chaos Magic/Phoenix Force opposition idiocy, when nothing like this was ever hinted at in 30+ years of Marvel continuity
e) wiping out a universal force without any kind of cosmic repercussions (when the last time this was tried, by Galactus, the universe was dying with it).
I could go on.
Originally posted by zopzop
I just told you what was wrong with it Carver.There's more though, piling on the "cosmic parasite" idiocy, there was :
a) the Iron Fist/K'un-Lun/PF connection idiocy
b) the panic over Hope hosting the PF despite the fact that Rachel Summers did it for YEARS and never once lost control
c) the fact that Phoenix only went Dark Phoenix AFTER being manipulated by Mastermind (ie it's not inherently evil, Jean never lost control without an outside force, Mastermind, tampering with her emotions)
d) the Wanda Chaos Magic/Phoenix Force opposition idiocy, when nothing like this was ever hinted at in 30+ years of Marvel continuity
e) wiping out a universal force without any kind of cosmic repercussions (when the last time this was tried, by Galactus, the universe was dying with it).I could go on.
Suuuup 😛
Long time bro hows you?
I too thought the main AvX story was pants, however the tie ins were good. Especially Uncanny X-men.
I agree with a lot of your points, but with regards to d) The reason it wasnt mentioned in the past 30 years is because the opposition isnt some ancient opposition thats always been in place, it was an opposition that was initiated from the moment Wanda decimated the mutant population thereby impeding evolution which the Phoenix Force perpetuates. So with that in mind why would it be mentioned previously?
With regards to e) the Phoenix Force wasnt wiped out. It was just dissipated as its work was done. We know from canon it is indestructible and we know from canon that if its tie to reality is interfered with then it spells the end of reality. The fact that there were no universal consequences and you have future Phoenixes (Quentin Quire) returning to the present also demonstrate that, as does the current Wolverine and the X-men story arc.
Issue 3 of this series again confirms that the Phoenix Force is energies of creation from which the universe was forged and that as such the Phoenix Force is embedded within all that is.
It also states that the Phoenix Force is so concerned with evolution because to fully wield its power you need to be of a particular evolved state (canon tells us omega level mutants) so that she can bring about the end and become whole again.
Something Grant Morrisons New X-men explored with its revelation that Phoenix hosts are the pinnacle of evolution, "the ultimate mutation":
The Big Bang connection being something thats been canon with regards to the PF for years
"If im going to build a Phoenix killer ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion" i.e the Big Bang.
http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg
its role in perpetuating the creation cycle (its beginning and end) is also something thats been stated for years:
http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg
Went off on a bit of a tangent there mate, but you get the drift. As stated in the AvX arc the Phoenix only manifested to reverse Wandas machinations and it was to do this through its chosen vessel Hope. So the conclusion of AvX had Hope with Wandas aid reject the Phoenix power as opposed to attempting to become some messiah like figure (and potentially losing her way) and the dispersed power sparked the revival of the mutant race.
As far as the X-men know the Force is assumed dead because they cannot detect it. However subsequent storylines have shown us what we should have known anyway...that the Phoenix lives. As the Big Bang it is all energy and matter within reality. If the Phoenix Force was no more, reality would be no more. That is all 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Suuuup 😛Long time bro hows you?
I too thought the main AvX story was pants, however the tie ins were good. Especially Uncanny X-men.
I agree with a lot of your points, but with regards to d) The reason it wasnt mentioned in the past 30 years is because the opposition isnt some ancient opposition thats always been in place, it was an opposition that was initiated from the moment Wanda decimated the mutant population thereby impeding evolution which the Phoenix Force perpetuates. So with that in mind why would it be mentioned previously?
With regards to e) the Phoenix Force wasnt wiped out. It was just dissipated as its work was done. We know from canon it is indestructible and we know from canon that if its tie to reality is interfered with then it spells the end of reality. The fact that there were no universal consequences and you have future Phoenixes (Quentin Quire) returning to the present also demonstrate that, as does the current Wolverine and the X-men story arc.
Issue 3 of this series again confirms that the Phoenix Force is energies of creation from which the universe was forged and that as such the Phoenix Force is embedded within all that is.
"If im going to build a Phoenix killer ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion" i.e the Big Bang.
http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg
It also states that the Phoenix Force is so concerned with evolution because to fully wield its power you need to be of a particular evolved state (canon tells us omega level mutants) so that she can bring about the end and become whole again.
Something Grant Morrisons New X-men explored with its revelation that Phoenix hosts are the pinnacle of evolution, "the ultimate mutation":
The Big Bang connection being something thats been canon with regards to the PF for years
http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg
its role in perpetuating the creation cycle (its beginning and end) is also something thats been stated for years:
http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg
Went off on a bit of a tangent there mate, but you get the drift. As stated in the AvX arc the Phoenix only manifested to reverse Wandas machinations and it was to do this through its chosen vessel Hope. So the conclusion of AvX had Hope with Wandas aid reject the Phoenix power as opposed to attempting to become some messiah like figure (and potentially losing her way) and the dispersed power sparked the revival of the mutant race.
As far as the X-men know the Force is assumed dead because they cannot detect it. However subsequent storylines have shown us what we should have known anyway...that the Phoenix lives. As the Big Bang it is all energy and matter within reality. If the Phoenix Force was no more, reality would be no more. That is all 🙂
I've been good, and you? You missed some crazy stuff going on on this board GS 😄
