Phoenix vs. Surtur

Mr Master again fails to recognise the difference between that which happens as per the natural scheme of things and that which happens on panel due to artificial intervention. 🙂

As stated on panel numerous times and as depicted on panel the universe is forged from the energies of the Phoenix Force:

[img=http://s26.postimg.org/61779gm85/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_011.jpg]

It is the Big Bang and as such it is physically all that is:

[img=http://s26.postimg.org/px36p039h/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_012.jpg]

What is the Big Bang? According to the Big Bang model, the universe expanded from an extremely dense and hot state and continues to expand today.

Tony Stark how are you going to attempt to kill the Phoenix Force?

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg

"Ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion"

Reed Richards, what is the Phoenix Force?

http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg

"the energies of creation itself. Call it the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force"

Before the Big Bang there was nothing but a void. The Big Bang filled that void with all of its energy and matter that settled into stars and planets etc.

Watcher what is there without the Phoenix Force in reality?

"Ultimate extinction" "a void wherein exists not the smallest potential for life"

http://imageshack.com/a/img26/2769/excalibur02520.jpg

Phoenix Force what are you?

http://imageshack.com/a/img441/2044/classicxmen00821.jpg

"All that is i am" "Nothing lives that is not touched by a part of me"

The Phoenix Force is the sentient Big Bang and it perpetuates the creation cycle under the natural scheme of things.

As stated by the Watcher:

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg

As stated by Eternity:

http://imageshack.com/a/img140/2/xmenforever0616.jpg

If the Marvel reality is left to come to its own natural conclusion, then the end is brought about by the Phoenix Force.

This fiery end is itself the step towards a new beginning wherein the Phoenix Force is itself reborn as per its namesake in the Big Bang event.

Tales of Sise Neg and the Alien Entity artificially triggering the cycle anew does not diminish or re-define the Phoenixes role. They are just interference. Under the natural scheme of things it is the role of the Phoenix to do this as stated by numerous reputable sources. The Abstracts for example.

We are not going to see the Marvel universe come to its natural conclusion because we would have no comics to read 🙂

The only time we see an end to the universe (and a temporary end at that) is through interference with the natural order and such incidents are always reversed.

So what is your point Mr Master?

Surtur is destroyed

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Mr Master again fails to recognise the difference between that
which happens as per the natural scheme of things and that which
happens on panel due to artificial intervention.

"artificial intervention?" ... 😂

That's the Natural scheme of things down below funny man.

That's Entropy, (the embodiment of the END of the Universe)
who just created the Universe anew from a Void blank state. (after he and Genis erased it)
He did this with energies from withIN his body, so he was the embodiment of the Big Bang energies.

"The cycle begins anew" (natural scheme of things son)

PF? ... Who? What? Where? ... exactly.

There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.

Excellent point

Originally posted by abhilegend
There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.

Remember when I used to talk sh|t about DC's cosmology and stuff? I take it all back. 😮

Marvel's is a clusterphuck.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, it's a fuggin' mess.

Remember when I used to talk sh|t about DC's cosmology and stuff? I take it all back. 😮

Marvel's is a clusterphuck.

Nah Marvel FTW

Originally posted by abhilegend

There are several origins of universe in marvel.

I presented 3 on panel depictions, and I have 3 more. Let me know.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated.

Anyway, Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF Big Banging anything.

Actually, you may impress me a bit by posting that scan where she creates one reality, let-alone all.

Good luck with that search.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Show me the one that involves the PF.

I presented 3 on panel depictions, and I have 3 more. Let me know.

😐 ... So ... Sentry really has the power of a million exploding suns
cause it was bullshitted into publication via a writer talking out of his ass?

Anyway, Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF Big Banging anything.

Actually, you may impress me a bit by posting that scan where she creates one reality, let-alone all.

Good luck with that search.

Anyway PF stomps Surtur, right?

Originally posted by Mr Master
ka-dur ... What kind of horse-stinky is this?

"artificial intervention?" ... 😂

That's the Natural scheme of things down below funny man.

That's Entropy, (the embodiment of the END of the Universe)
who just created the Universe anew from a Void blank state. (after he and Genis erased it)
He did this with energies from withIN his body, so he was the embodiment of the Big Bang energies.

"The cycle begins anew" (natural scheme of things son)

PF? ... Who? What? Where? ... exactly.

How is that the natural scheme of things?

Entropy is the gradual journey of the universe towards heat death as all thermal energy over billions and billions of years become homogeneous. The character Entropy is the embodiment of this concept.

Entropy plotted to kill his father by driving Genis mad thereby bringing an accelerated and very unnatural end to the universe. An end outside of that which he is destined to bring.

It is for this very reason that his machinations were reversed as part of the plot.

The Marvel universe CANNOT come to its natural conclusion because then we would have no comics to read. So it is never going to happen.

Is that really a concept to complex for you to grasp Mr M? 🙂

All we can have as i previously stated are stories like this where a character comes in and intervenes with the natural order before it is reversed because it is not meant to happen.

However as stated by a multitude of reputable sources, it is the Phoenix Force that is tasked with bringing about this end under the natural scheme of things.

What beings like Entropy and Oblivion demonstrate however are that the natural conclusion of reality is not set in stone and how it ends when it is its time to end is down to a number of variables that we are not privy to. A certain event or action down the timeline could mean that the PF claims reality as is its given role, or likewise could see Oblivion or Entropy do the same. There are a number of beings who are tasked with bringing about the end and that fact does not diminish the cosmic significance of any of these beings, however out of all of them, it is only the PF that is also the living energies of creation that gave said concepts relevance in the first place by triggering and being all that is.

I hope thats clear 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.

Exactly that.

There are several beginnings and several ends. What one takes place is down to variables we are not privy to.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Show me the one that involves the PF.

I presented 3 on panel depictions, and I have 3 more. Let me know.

😐 ... So ... Sentry really has the power of a million exploding suns
cause it was bullshitted into publication via a writer talking out of his ass?

Anyway, Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF Big Banging anything.

Actually, you may impress me a bit by posting that scan where she creates one reality, let-alone all.

Good luck with that search.

The scans ive posted state and depict that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang and forged reality within its fire before exploding into all that is during this event:

[img=http://s26.postimg.org/px36p039h/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_012.jpg]

The on panel evidence is there in multitude. You cannot deny its nature. It is the Big Bang, the physical energy and matter of all that is. The difference is it also manifests within itself to perpetuate this creation cycle, however as shown by characters like Entropy and Oblivion and even Death, this additional role of ending the universe does not just lie with the Phoenix. However that does not take away its cosmic significance

Originally posted by abhilegend

Its been called the energy of creation several times, so I don't think that's debatable.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How is that the natural scheme of things?

Entropy is the gradual journey of the universe towards heat death as all thermal energy over billions and billions of years become homogeneous. The character Entropy is the embodiment of this concept.

Entropy plotted to kill his father by driving Genis mad thereby bringing an accelerated and very unnatural end to the universe. An end outside of that which he is destined to bring.

It is for this very reason that his machinations were reversed as part of the plot.

The Marvel universe CANNOT come to its natural conclusion because then we would have no comics to read. So it is never going to happen.

Is that really a concept to complex for you to grasp Mr M? 🙂

All we can have as i previously stated are stories like this where a character comes in and intervenes with the natural order before it is reversed because it is not meant to happen.

However as stated by a multitude of reputable sources, it is the Phoenix Force that is tasked with bringing about this end under the natural scheme of things.

What beings like Entropy and Oblivion demonstrate however are that the natural conclusion of reality is not set in stone and how it ends when it is its time to end is down to a number of variables that we are not privy to. A certain event or action down the timeline could mean that the PF claims reality as is its given role, or likewise could see Oblivion or Entropy do the same. There are a number of beings who are tasked with bringing about the end and that fact does not diminish the cosmic significance of any of these beings, however out of all of them, it is only the PF that is also the living energies of creation that gave said concepts relevance in the first place by triggering and being all that is.

I hope thats clear

Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF creating the Multiverse? No?

You probably have the one where she creates the Universe? No?

What about the the one where she creates a Galaxy? No?

Well, I should take into consideration that the PF is the energies of the Big Bang via poppycock,
and I should dismiss actual On Panel showings of the Big Bang as something, other?

Actually .. you're hilarious.

Because yea, Entropy didn't just release Big Bang energies On Panel.

Oh wait, he did. That's just your agenda at play.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆

What are you laughing at? 🙂

Its stated explicitly. You can hate the idea, but he is quite correct, you cannot credibly state that it is not the case.

Not when you have so many reputable sources, be they cosmic beings and scientific geniuses stating the same thing throughout continuity.

You will deal with this canonical fact 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm ... yea, "clear" bull shit perhaps.

So what are you going to do now, spam the thread with the same scans showing Sise Neg and various other beings restarting creation?

Go ahead.

Makes no difference.

Is Sise Negs significance nullified by the fact that other beings did it?

❌

In the natural scheme of things it is the PFs role. Those artificial interventions mean nothing and do not demean what reputable sources say the PF does and will do if reality is left to its own devices 🙂

Still waiting on that scan that depicts the PF letting off the Big Bang.

Oh no, you have the one where she remakes Eternity/Infinity.

Actually no, you have the one where she re-creates the Universe.

That's also a no, no.

So, you have ... nothing! ... Yet, we should accept Nothing! and disregard what has actually taken place on panel.

Like Sise-Neg, like Genis/Entropy, like Thanos/HOTI, like the Alien Entity.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

scientific geniuses stating the same thing throughout continuity.

But the "scientific genius" saw the truth with his own eyes:

The real Big Bang, (on panel) occurring!

The real "Spark" that ignites creation (on panel) occurring!

The real embodiment of the Big Bang (on panel) occurring!

The Big Bang in the flesh (on panel actually depicted)

... not talk, talk, talk, which = to hyperbole.

......................................................................................

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm ... yea, "clear" bull shit perhaps.

Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF creating the Multiverse? No?

You probably have the one where she creates the Universe? No?

What about the the one where she creates a Galaxy? No?

Well, I should take into consideration that the PF is the energies of the Big Bang via poppycock,
and I should dismiss actual On Panel showings of the Big Bang as something, other?

Actually .. you're hilarious.

Because yea, Entropy didn't just release Big Bang energies On Panel.

Oh wait, he did. That's just your agenda at play.

So you want to ignore the on panel statement and artistic depiction in this weeks Wolverine and the X-men where reality is said to have been forged by the Phoenixes power and then you have the Phoenix exploding as the Big Bang before settling down as all that is? 🙄

[img=http://s26.postimg.org/px36p039h/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_012.jpg]

You want to ignore stars blinking out of existence as Galactus disrupts the PF's tie to reality through Rachel?

http://imageshack.com/a/img26/2769/excalibur02520.jpg

A point which again verifies it is the energies of all that is?

How can you attempt to present yourself as credible and objective when you overlook and deny explicit evidence like this because it does not coincide with your fantasy of a hierarchy 😬