Hero of Tython vs Darth Vader

They fight on Bespin.

Hero takes this, barely.

Vader in a good fight.

Going with Hero in a close fight.

Obviously I too think the Hero wins.

I'm gonna disagree. While Hero undoubtedly possesses superior mobility and possibly agility (Vader's speed feats are inconsistent), Vader outclasses him in just about every area. Vader has crushed a cathedral, smashed massive droids with TK, brought down an X wing in mid flight, and smashed through massive walls and durasteel doors. I don't think Hero's TK feats match that, at least not in any similar capacity.

Hero's dueling feats are probably on par with Vader though, even though Vader has taken out tons more Jedi than HoT. Vader has superior strength he's broken durasteel, casually lifts people up, and has only been broken by his own son.

Tbf though as Vader has been inconvenienced by opponents of lesser merit than HoT notably DW, Sha Koon, and others his victory is by no means for a massive majority maybe 5.5/6/10

HoT's feats outweigh Luke in ROTJ by a significant marjin imo.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm gonna disagree. While Hero undoubtedly possesses superior mobility and possibly agility (Vader's speed feats are inconsistent),

True:

"Combining the foresight of the Force with unrivaled reflexes and practiced physical precision, the Knight turns combat into an art form, gracefully executing acrobatic feats in tandem with elegant lightsaber tactics."

"The Jedi Knight’s graceful movements are awesome to behold."

Originally posted by carthage
Vader outclasses him in just about every area. Vader has crushed a cathedral, smashed massive droids with TK, brought down an X wing in mid flight, and smashed through massive walls and durasteel doors. I don't think Hero's TK feats match that, at least not in any similar capacity.

Vitiate can though, and we know how that one went.

Originally posted by carthage
Hero's dueling feats are probably on par with Vader though, even though Vader has taken out tons more Jedi than HoT. Vader has superior strength he's broken durasteel, casually lifts people up, and has only been broken by his own son.

Well of course Vader has taken out more Jedi than the Jedi Knight. 😉

I'd wager the HoT has defeated more Sith than Vader has Jedi though.

I'm going with Vader.

Vitiate can though, and we know how that one went

He did it on a nexus, whereas Vader's TK feats are all bereft of one. If HoT takes a TK wave he's gonna take some mid-level injuries or go flying. Not a good analogy, in my opinion.

Vitiate was greatly weakened by his ritual failing:

"You’ve learned that the Emperor is on Dromund Kaas, temporarily weakened by your efforts thwarting his plan for galactic annihilation."

But the Hero's energy was also ''dissipated'' and Scourge said that the Emperor 'will recover swiftly?. Then once you kill him, it says "The Emperor lies beaten at your feet. For all his power, he was no match for you."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
But the Hero's energy was also ''dissipated''

Which only makes it more impressive that the Hero beat him, no? 😉

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
and Scourge said that the Emperor 'will recover swiftly?.

Indeed, which is Scourge is saying they had to get to him fast, when he was still weakened.

Which only makes it more impressive that the Hero beat him, no? wink

Indeed, which is Scourge is saying they had to get to him fast, when he was still weakened.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
How was he still weakened? In the lightside ending, you go and save your friends, giving him ample time to regain his strength...especially since it's on a nexus.

Because he was still weakened. Even if you go to save your friends the quest text still says that he's weakened. Vitiate was VERY weak after his ritual failed. He recovered, but not nearly to full strength even in the Lightside version.

Also, if you really think that Vitiate had completely recovered and had the nexus yet still lost to the HoT then the Hero should utterly stomp Vader.

Because he was still weakened. Even if you go to save your friends the quest text still says that he's weakened. Vitiate was VERY weak after his ritual failed. He recovered, but not nearly to full strength even in the Lightside version.

Also, if you really think that Vitiate had completely recovered and had the nexus yet still lost to the HoT then the Hero should utterly stomp Vader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoFNJ7UophU
9:53 "You gave the Emperor time to gather his strength, we are fortunate to be alive."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Okay, I'll take your word if you provide a quote.

Or just makes Vitiate look even worse. 😉

Which quote? If you mean the quest text, its the one I posted before. It doesn't change throughout the whole mission, until Vitiates defeat.

Nah.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoFNJ7UophU
9:53 "You gave the Emperor time to gather his strength, we are fortunate to be alive."

He gathered some of his strength, he did not gather it completely. The only difference it causes is that Vitiate summons some clones at the start of the fight to attack you if you waste time. That's it, one Force attacks difference.

Considering the entire time the invasion of Dromund Kaas took, probably several hours, I doubt that the HoT spending 2-5 minutes saving someone was that significant.

Hero. Vader's really powerful though, it should be a decent fight.

He's ok when he isn't bordering N cannon.

Other than maneuverability Vader has him beat in most other categories, and he doesn't possess some other power to bridge the gap.