Which quote? If you mean the quest text, its the one I posted before. It doesn't change throughout the whole mission, until Vitiates defeat.
He gathered some of his strength, he did not gather it completely. The only difference it causes is that Vitiate summons some clones at the start of the fight to attack you if you waste time. That's it, one Force attacks difference.
The Hero's only real strength feat that I can recall is pushing through Vitiate's lightning, but it can be assumed he's physically potent enough to counter Vader's blows with at least significant efficiency. He's still at a disadvantage when comparing strength no matter how you look at it though, Vader has torn apart huge slabs of durasteel bare handed, overpowered most opponents he's faced with raw strength, and you get the idea from there.
Vader has formed shields out of his blade, moved invisibly fast, produced 4 afterimages behind his blade, and has fought in a blur. Conversely, the Hero has on more than one occasion cut down elite Sith Warriors and Assassins before they could even react, which is always a superb feat. All-in-all, the Hero should be more than capable of keeping up with Vader, though I'd declare Darth the faster of the two as well.
As far as durability and endurance goes, the Hero withstood palpable amounts of damage from Vitiate's Force Storm before going down, and likely endured significant damage and continued fighting in their final battle. Vader, however, outstrips him here too. The guy tanks lightsaber strikes and stabs mid-battle, loses limbs and keeps fighting, tanks bomb blasts at point blank range, not to mention that he's already protected by dark armor....
So basically, it's evident that while the Hero's physical capabilities are highly advanced, Vader's are significantly greater.
Now let's look at them in terms of skill. The Hero has outfought many saber prodigies. The first example being Praven, who outdueled one fo the Jedi's best swordsmen in battle, and then defeated another Sith who was considered his superior, and he did it when he was amped, too. He then goes on to outduel Darth Angral, who is Dark Council Level and easily outfought a Jedi Councillor, and he gains significantly from then on as a swordsman. Vader, however, is just as impressive. He's taken on a strike team of seven Jedi Masters and nearly killed them all primarily through saber prowess, then continued to outduel fighters like An'ya Kuro, Galen Marek, and Obi-Wan Kenobi--All of which are legendary fighters who were amongst the best of the day. Not only that, but he also gains considerably from then to his peak. Both of them use the same primary styles, (Djem So/Soresu) but Vader also incorporates heavy Makashi elements as well, and has a more unorthodox style. I could see giving the Hero the edge in terms of skill due to the unknown amount of skill he gained from Act 2 to Act 3, (Though we do know that by Act 3 he was good enough to cut down the Imperial Guard, something someone on Nyriss's level didn't even consider a possibility.) but in the end Vader's feats of skill are just as good as his are.
The final thing to consider, which is Force Powers, is honestly fairly obvious. While Vitiate notes that the Hero harnesses immense power that he can't fully control, Vader is also the Chosen One--His raw power is also absolutely immense on the same scale. As for feats with the Force, yeah, the Hero has collapsed ceilings and forced bridges to close, but Vader has collapsed cathedrals, blasted away dozens of fighters, ripped down huge contraptions, busted huge droids, and more. Vader definitely holds an advantage as a Force Wielder as well, both in power and his application of it.
In the end, the Hero is extremely powerful--The best Jedi of his day, and someone capable of defeating the guy who downed Revan. However, in a side by side comparison, it's really hard to give him the advantage over Vader--Because he hasn't really accomplished anything that Vader hasn't done better.
Originally posted by Based
He has to be joking because lightsaber forms are a gameplay choice.
Soresu is the Guardian form, IIRC.
In any case, HoT stomps. Was a better swordsman in an age when millions of Jedi fought millions of Sith, had tons of great feats and kills under her belt, and isn't a whiny sand-hating tool.
Right, but the odds of having greater quality increase with greater quantity, for the same reason why there will be better swordsmen back during the Crusades than during the American Revolution. The PT Jedi had a golden age of mostly adopting Niman, not fighting any Sith, and dying en masse against robots and wanna-be Dark Jedi. That Anakin is "great among them" doesn't impress me in the slightest, while noobie HoT steps on Tython and is very quickly recognized as the penultimate saber master and badass.
Thats also true for all the classes btw. They only ever use a single weapon in cutscenes.
Hell, I've had my Consular pull a single-bladed lightsaber out of her ass in a cutscene rather than use her double-bladed one at her hip.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quality>Quantity.
Not necessarily. The Hero routinely fights through hordes of Sith and such opponents. Defeating 6 Sith Warriors at the same time would be at least equal to defeating a legendary Master IMO, as a hypothetical example.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Right, but the odds of having greater quality increase with greater quantity, for the same reason why there will be better swordsmen back during the Crusades than during the American Revolution. The PT Jedi had a golden age of mostly adopting Niman, not fighting any Sith, and dying en masse against robots and wanna-be Dark Jedi. That Anakin is "great among them" doesn't impress me in the slightest, while noobie HoT steps on Tython and is very quickly recognized as the penultimate saber master and badass.
Soresu was by far the most prominent form in both TOR and PT eras dude. Niman wasn't uncommon, but most Jedi did not adopt it.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Soresu was by far the most prominent form in both TOR and PT eras dude. Niman wasn't uncommon, but most Jedi did not adopt it.
Actually, in a twisted way you're right.
Dueling forms were more common, because the individuals fought for their lives more often against Force using swordsmen/women, because Soresu was built to combat prevalent blaster usage, and because Niman was previously a master's form, not a watered-down diplomat's form.
Fightsaber and Shatterpoint among other things noted that the majority of the Jedi who fought (and died) at Geonosis were Niman users. Other EU sources corroborate that the Jedi were mostly peacekeepers and diplomats, not warriors. We only see a handful of good Soresu users in the PT (Obi, Luminara, and Barriss, IIRC), and the users of advanced forms like Makashi and Juyo/Vaapad are even fewer.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats also true for all the classes btw. They only ever use a single weapon in cutscenes.Hell, I've had my Consular pull a single-bladed lightsaber out of her ass in a cutscene rather than use her double-bladed one at her hip.
Precisely. The single bladed seems to be the canon choice. But yeah the HoT has Shien, Soresu, and Shi-Cho methinks.