HOTM Hulk/Superman vs Thor/Silver Surfer

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Not quite.

Woah. Let's not lowball here. Humans don't survive crash landings after flying at high speeds from SPACE into a planet, then a sucker punch HV from a Silver Age level supervillain with poor power control issues.

In any case, I only posted it because JBL wanted to see Supes going intangible (which I think I have); and Knite/red sun rads not affecting Supes. I like how no one has picked up on him tanking a nuke whilst surrounded by K-nite, and yet can still fly, have HV, has super durability and can use telescopic vision.... [/B]

Originally posted by Stoic
Flight speed on average would actually go to Thor, and the Surfer. Movement or battle speed goes to Superman. Weakness exploitation is team 2's advantage, but the problem is if they would have enough time to pull that on 2 very fast moving targets. Superman could fast ball special Hulk into Thor, while taking the fight to the Surfer. Up close, I think Superman would have an advantage over the Surfer... not a huge one but one all the same.

Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer drained Uni-Lord in fairly short order, but he can't drain either Superman or Hulk? 😕

How would u rank em all in power

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dont troll. Current Hulk and classic Hulk are still heralds he's gotten a better understanding of his power (being able to go wb) but on average its debatable if he is greater than his savage persona. Same goes for surfer. He's only more experienced norot more powerful he's still a high herald after all. Your using high end occurences like they're the norm. And ignoring on panel evidence simply cuz its old.

This isn't based off high showings...This is based off consistency. Hulk is more powerful now than he has ever been. Read his comics before commenting on this. Surfer has also grown in power. Superman before the reboot became more powerful than his DOS self. Wonder Woman became more powerful. Hell, Colossus has become more powerful than his classic self. You using Classic 1980 scans to determine how something would go in a fight today is again, laughable. Why am I discussing this when it's common sense.? Think before you reply to my post.

Originally posted by carver9
This isn't based off high showings...This is based off consistency. Hulk is more powerful now than he has ever been. Read his comics before commenting on this. Surfer has also grown in power. Superman before the reboot became more powerful than his DOS self. Wonder Woman became more powerful. Hell, Colossus has become more powerful than his classic self. You using Classic 1980 scans to determine how something would go in a fight today is again, laughable. Why am I discussing this when it's common sense.? Think before you reply to my post.

lol so much fail. Superman didnt get 'more powerful' he stopped pulling punches towards the end of DOS. It's debateable if hulk is more powerful than his current incarnation and if u'd care u can create a thread with feats solely from Savage and solely for Indestructible, i'd love to entertain that debate. Colossus was a teenager at the time and "grew" out of adoloscence and into his powers. He matured basically.

Surfer was able to drain Hulk in the past, so unless you can prove that he can't do it now concession accepted.

I think he was talking about upgrades that happened over the course of several years, several of which were explicitly stated as having happened to Superman.

It was stated years ago that Colossus would get stronger as he got older, sure, but he did die as a class 75 and come back as a 100. The comics didn't treat it as being as gradual as they could have.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think he was talking about upgrades that happened over the course of several years, several of which were explicitly stated as having happened to Superman.

It was stated years ago that Colossus would get stronger as he got older, sure, but he did die as a class 75 and come back as a 100. The comics didn't treat it as being as gradual as they could have.

Exactly. Every last one of the characters I've named has been upgraded and it appears as if Hulk has not lost any power yet since his WWH birth. The guy is still being referenced till this day as a planet buster. Colossus received one, even BEAST received one. Spiderman, Wolverine was upgraded before losing his healing factor Thor has became more powerful. I'm not going to name everyone that has received uogrades, but it's pretty obvious and with most, it's outright stated.

Also, current Hulk has not been scratched yet. It took a blade that can cut through atoms to cause a scratch on his skin. Everything else, his indestructible skin has endured from weapons that could melt adamantium to weapons that shoot adamantium bullets. This wouldn't hold true for Classic savage Hulk. He was durable but not THAT durable.

Sin, no one here agrees with you (people that read comics). So again, I see no reason on why we are discussing this. Also, lol at draining him. That doesn't work anymore. Back in the day people like Thing and Wolverine gave Hulk a fight solo. They teamed up together to fight a Hulk that was getting weaker by the second and it ended with Hulk stabbing Wolverine claws through his skull and Hulk outright mud stomping Thing and remember, he was getting weaker by the second. Do you need me to PM you his indestructible comics sin? Let me know. I can PM you the ones before that as well.

Draining ain't working here. T2 gets da stuffing beat out of em. 😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think he was talking about upgrades that happened over the course of several years, several of which were explicitly stated as having happened to Superman.

It was stated years ago that Colossus would get stronger as he got older, sure, but he did die as a class 75 and come back as a 100. The comics didn't treat it as being as gradual as they could have.

ok. i got that. would u consider savage hulk less than current hulk? and if so what feat has he shown that proves it?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
ok. i got that. would u consider savage hulk less than current hulk? and if so what feat has he shown that proves it?

I would consider Savage as being lower than current Hulk, yes, because he hasn't been plain old savage in a while. He'll eventually going to be called Savage again, but that Savage will most likely more powerful than previous incarnations.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I would consider Savage as being lower than current Hulk, yes, because he hasn't been plain old savage in a while. He'll eventually going to be called Savage again, but that Savage will most likely more powerful than previous incarnations.

Based on what exactly

Originally posted by Sin I AM
ok. i got that. would u consider savage hulk less than current hulk? and if so what feat has he shown that proves it?

Every time he appears lately he has a high showing. Every last one of his indestructible comics has him doing something insane. It's clear as day this isn't your average Hulk. Show me Savage Hulk moving like this....

And this is consistent as shown here.

I can post at least 12 more similar scans like this from current Hulk.

Yet, he was unable to avoid Proxima Midnight.

Something Cap/Wakandan soldiers were able to. :hm:

Like I've said...you have not been keeping up with Hulk. Don't understand why people debate on topics they have no idea about (not trying to be mean sin).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Based on what exactly

Most of his showings since the start of WWH. I don't think it's a large gap, mind you. Outside of his amp to WBH, Hulk is still high herald. He's just at a higher end of the scale than before.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said...you have not been keeping up with Hulk. Don't understand why people debate on topics they have no idea about (not trying to be mean sin).

and yet you do it all of the time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet, he was unable to avoid Proxima Midnight.

Something Cap/Wakandan soldiers were able to. :hm:

First thing he was punching Corvus in the face when he was hit by that attack. Second thing is, when did I say be could avoid an attack that Spectrum was unable to avoid. I agree with you though, Cap and a Waka Dan soldier is faster than Spectrum and Hulk. 👆

Originally posted by carver9
First thing he was punching Corvus in the face when he was hit by that attack. Second thing is, when did I say be could avoid an attack that Spectrum was unable to avoid. I agree with you though, Cap and a Waka Dan soldier is faster than Spectrum and Hulk. 👆

So what exactly is the point of bringing up him being "distracted"?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Most of his showings since the start of WWH. I don't think it's a large gap, mind you. Outside of his amp to WBH, Hulk is still high herald. He's just at a higher end of the scale than before.

and yet you do it all of the time.

😂

I promise you I know you better than you know yourself. I said that you'll post this as soon as I hit submit. Wow.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So he was only hit because he was distracted. But he wouldn't have been able to avoid it anyway and it would have done the same thing?

So what exactly is the point of bringing up him being "distracted"?

Good point. Don't know what's the point, but, it can't be used against him since he was not even paying attention to her during the time the attack was thrown. Also...didn't they comment on Hulks super speed right before that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mongul was knocked out by the same nuke.
Not really. Superman's flight speed is better than Thor and at least a match for surfer.
Honestly?

Honestly how?

Surfera has absorption feats as good as anyone, Parasite included (Who, as you know, drained off Supes many times...)